The Last of Us Part 1

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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to The Other Castle.

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No, this is a...

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Unseasonably good, like a fruit.

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But we will be super seasoned.

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We, definitely not salty though.

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And my name is Tom.

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And we are the co-hosts of The Other Castle podcast.

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This is a show where we break down the plot, lore and more behind video games.

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So whatever titles you see in our roster of games we've covered, we talk about the production, we talk about the creators, we talk about the performers, and then we actually talk about what happens in the game.

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So you get everything you could possibly need to know about that title.

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I'll let you fingertips with this very podcast.

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Yes, so welcome to the show.

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If this is your first time listening.

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And for long time listeners, this might look like a familiar episode.

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Because we did it before.

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However, much like the game itself, we're remaking it.

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From the ground up, baby.

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This is our PS5 episode of The Last of Us Part 1.

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We did cover this, God, how many years ago?

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Ages ago.

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I think it was a season two game.

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I think it was prior to the release of The Last of Us Part 2.

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Correct.

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So that dates it immediately.

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But we are in the 10 year anniversary of The Last of Us Part 1.

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So fuck it, let's fucking roll.

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Yeah, and we're redoing it just because we changed the format of the show.

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It's a much better show now.

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And we just wanted to bring that version to this game because this game deserves it.

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Yeah, we didn't do a great job with the first one.

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And this one, I am a lot more confident in.

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I didn't play The Last of Us when we recorded the first time to do this game.

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And now I've played it more times than you.

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Yeah, that's true.

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You love this game so much.

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Oh, I really do.

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I really, really do.

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But before we get into that, I want to say that if you also love The Last of Us, you can join our Discord and chat about this.

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You can um actually us if I fuck anything up, or you know what, if you have some really spicy Joel memes, I would love to see them.

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Yeah, and that's not the only way that you can join us.

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We stream on Twitch every Friday night at 6:30 PM.

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Yeah, and that's twitch.tv/ The Other Castle podcast, but the link to our Discord and the link to our Twitch is all down below.

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We're also saying that to say, you know, this is not a usual episode for us.

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We usually do seasons because these games take forever to do.

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We have season seven coming up, but in the interim, we wanted to keep you guys, you have something to hang on to while we work on finishing out the games for season seven.

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So this is our little band-aid to help you out.

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The other way you can keep listening to us is if you join our Patreon as well, because we do drop monthly episodes over there.

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We did cover The Last of Us Left Behind DLC on there.

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So if you're like, hey, there's more to this game than just what you're covering.

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I know, babe, I did it.

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I also talked about the American Dreams comics on that.

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So there is all sorts of stuff there.

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We covered Tetris, that was really fun.

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That was super fun.

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Lots of fun stuff.

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Yeah.

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So those are other ways you can get into it.

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But if you're here just for Last of Us, babe, I got you.

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Excellent.

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Because yeah, this game, and now we also have the TV series to go off of as well.

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And it is such a fun game.

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I mean, the gameplay for me has not always been my favorite aspect, but the story behind it is so beautiful.

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It's incredibly well written.

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Absolutely.

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You know, before I get into this, I do want to say this might be a spicy take, whatever.

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I do like the sequel better.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And that's not to disparage this title.

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This is very fun.

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I'm playing, I'm almost done, actually.

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I just picked it up while I was working on this episode.

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I was like, I just gotta see what the PS5 one has to offer because we played the 2014 remaster, which came out a year after its original release.

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And now the remake that just came out and kind of had an accompanying PC release, the PS5 is really pretty, but damn, if Last of Us Part 2 isn't a little prettier.

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Yeah, still.

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Yeah, and maybe it's just because they have so many aquarium pieces and I love water shit.

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But this did make me want to play two more, but that's all aside the point.

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The Last of Us Part 1, or just The Last of Us as it was originally launched because they didn't know this would be a franchise, was released on June 14th, 2013, a decade ago.

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Already a decade?

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Does that make you feel old as fuck?

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So quickly.

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On PS3.

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And the world has collectively lost its shit over the story ever since.

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It's true, I mean, just from every aspect of it down to its controversial ending.

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Right, and controversial beginning of two, and every piece of controversy since then.

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Now we know the game has since been released across PS4 and PS5 as well, and PC, but I say that with an asterisk because there were some issues with the PC port upon launch, but that's not what we're recovering.

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We're not gonna focus on the negatives.

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And The Last of Us has since been rebranded as The Last of Us Part 1 to account for the 2020 sequel, which is just aptly titled The Last of Us Part 2.

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That makes sense to kind of retcon the name in that way, though.

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Yeah, and it made sense as they re-released it, so they're like, okay, here's what this shit is now.

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It's kind of the final version, too.

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It does feel like they're just kind of sprucing it up.

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I mean, like, that's it, put the bow on it, we're done now.

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Yeah, I don't think they should even touch it again.

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Right, like unless they need to update some ports or like throw it on PS6 in a couple of years.

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I think we're fine.

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I think so, too.

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The story of The Last of Us starts in 2009, right after the launch of the second Uncharted game, which is Uncharted Among Thieves.

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Right after his second writing credit on a game, Neil Druckmann, who is the ND in Naughty Dog.

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Right.

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Like let's talk about that symmetry right there.

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Started working on a new franchise.

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With no Neil Druckmann, we have no Last of Us.

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He is the living heart of The Last of Us.

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If you've followed anything about The Last of Us, aside from the very surface level of marketing, you've seen Neil.

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Yeah.

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We would barely have Uncharted without Neil Druckmann, frankly.

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He is a genius and Sony owes him the entire fucking world.

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He just cares about story and character so much.

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He does, he absolutely does.

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And he pushed them to really focus on that.

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And I think that's what's made all the difference.

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I agree, yeah.

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Neil is currently, and rightfully so, the co-president of Naughty Dog.

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And he did earn his way up there.

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He is not just a privileged boy who walked in.

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He, to your point, has worked and pushed everyone so hard to create great art.

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And he deserves the fucking world, and we are all very grateful for him.

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Yes, thank you, Neil.

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Now Neil grew up in Tel Aviv, where he said he learned English through playing video games, which is always such a cool story when you see that.

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Like my mom learned English watching American TV before she lived in America.

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It was just so cool.

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A lot of kids I knew, and I think I as well kind of caught on to reading quickly because of video games.

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Like I remember having a Game Boy and having to read text boxes and figuring it out.

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And that repetition made me, helped me learn to read, frankly, straight up.

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Yeah, and then there's also just the fact that a lot of those, like the text would scroll out.

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And so it kind of challenged you to read quicker and stuff like that too, you know?

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I want to get to the fucking next part, but I need to know if they're warning me about anything right now.

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It was like that generation's version of skipping the cut scenes.

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Right, just skipping the text box.

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Right.

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The Druckmann family moved from Tel Aviv to Miami in the late 80s when Neil was like middle school aged.

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After high school, Neil went to college to study criminology for the sweetest reason.

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He wanted to be Batman?

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He wanted to be an FBI agent to get stories to write about in his future novels.

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Isn't that the most tender shit you've ever heard?

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Yeah, especially considering how far he goes that's dreaming really small for where he ends up going.

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Considering he just wanted to be a novel writer now, he's the owner of one of the largest gaming franchises of our current generation.

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Yeah, it's hard to get your name out as an author, to be real, it would be very difficult.

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Straight up, and now he's got some writing credits on a TV show on HBO, so go on, honey.

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He's gonna do all right.

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Yeah, this kid's got a future.

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Yeah.

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To help him get through college, he worked at a My Favorite Muffin store.

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Really?

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Yes, a store that I love.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, you love My Favorite Muffin.

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The fact that it's just called My Favorite Muffin, and they're like, yeah, try me on it.

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Lean into it.

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Hell yeah.

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Years later, at GDC, which is Game Developers Conference, it's usually in San Francisco, Neil watched Jason Rubin do a presentation.

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Now, Rubin is the co-founder of Naughty Dog, a future contemporary, and he's in the crowd watching him just discuss games.

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Neil was so moved after that presentation that he arranged a run-in with Rubin.

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Oh.

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So stocked him out a little bit and made sure that he was gonna bump into him?

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That's your words.

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My words are, legally, he happened to run into him later on the show floor, and he got Rubin's business card.

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Neil's perseverance and passion of like, I'm so excited about life, gave Rubin some faith in Neil and was like, this kid's got some chops.

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A little time goes by, they reconnect, and Jason Rubin asked Neil if he'd like to be an intern at Naughty Dog.

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Wow.

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An intern, bitch.

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He had to start all the way, literally, at the bottom.

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Like, before entry level.

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There's entry level and then there's internships, which are right below entry level.

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Because the likelihood of getting paid at that point is little to none.

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Absolutely.

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Sometimes just college credit.

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Right.

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I never did an internship because that seems like a scam.

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It feels like it, but you know what?

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People I know that have done internships end up doing pretty well.

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Like Neil Druckmann, who officially joined the Naughty Dog family in 2004 as a programming intern.

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Wow.

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Just getting coffee.

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Blows my mind.

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Now, back to The Last of Us development, as we're caught up to Neil's trajectory in this company.

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After the full launch marketing campaign, the whole thing with the Uncharted 2, the Naughty Dog team created two internal teams.

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One that was fully focused on Uncharted 3, Drake's Deception, and one that Druckmann was actually gonna lead with game director Bruce Strally on...

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a new Jak and Daxter game.

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Oh, really?

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A Jak and Daxter after an Uncharted that just feels kind of like...

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Childish?

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Whomp, whomp.

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Yeah.

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Well, but you know, as history tells us, that didn't last very long.

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Right.

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Because after some workshopping, they scrapped the entire idea for this Jak and Daxter to just start from scratch and do a new franchise.

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Okay, because I was like, I don't remember a Jak and Daxter after that, but maybe one snuck in there.

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You're like, was it that bad?

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Neil said that Naughty Dog's philosophy is rooted in letting people work on what they're passionate about and what they want to work on.

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They're like, if you have a fire, fucking go for it.

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Build it, yeah.

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Which is also how Neil became Neil.

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He said that if it was only based on money and Naughty Dog was just here to grab cash, he'd be working on Crash Bandicoot 17 by now.

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That's a good point.

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I mean, they are still churning out Crash Bandicoots.

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They just recently did four.

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Right.

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Oh, and Team Rumble got released.

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Yeah, Team Rumble's coming out and stuff like that.

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They're trying to bring Crash back into the swing of things.

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Yeah, and after that beautiful nod in Last of Us Part 2, where they see a porn called Smash Brandy's Cooch, they really are like, we gotta own this.

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And you know what?

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That's not even the best one.

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In Uncharted 4, you just play a level of Crash.

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That's true.

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They just broke the fourth wall wide open with that one.

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Yeah, which is fun, but it worked then.

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I hope they never do that again.

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Right.

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And if you see anyone else do it, it's just gonna feel like, oh, but this was already done before.

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You did this.

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You don't have to make that your thing.

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Right.

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So anyway, but that does speak to how Naughty Dog gives a shit about its creatives and the content they're putting out and not just the dollar signs, because they're absolutely right.

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We'd just be on so many different crash bandicoots.

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They'd be a crash bandicoot fall guys.

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We'd get all this dumb shit.

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There'd be a crash bandicoot fucking Among Us clone of like Crash Mafia.

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Deceive your friends, shit like that.

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But alas, the team put their faith in creators and let Neil lead a team to go off on a new franchise and one that everyone on that team was really passionate about.

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And that's when we get into The Last of Us.

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The Last of Us has an incredible amount of inspiration across the board and you can feel that when you play it.

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It mostly is a fresh take on zombies, yes.

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However, they are infected with a fungus.

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They are not undead.

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I may say zombies here and there.

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It's mostly in passing.

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I know they're not zombies.

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Leave me alone.

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It's not that deep.

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I think they banned the word zombie from the set of the TV show as well.

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Oh really?

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Yeah, you weren't allowed to say zombie or else Neil would get upset about it.

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Good for them, honestly.

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Well, when you're at the level of making the TV show, he gets to be like, absolutely not.

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Don't say that shit to me.

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It just still feels like one of those things where we ignore the world of zombie literature.

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We ignore the world of zombie, like everything when we are actually in a zombie world.

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And it feels weird to not at least acknowledge it.

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There is no Frankenstein in this universe and everything from there entirely.

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Dreckman has actually, to this point, and to pivot, one of his influences for the core relationship between Joel and Ellie is, I don't know if you know this one.

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Ooh, I don't know what it is, no.

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Bruce Willis and Jessica Alba in Sin City.

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Really?

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That's the dynamic he was going for.

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Right, and for those who don't know, first of all, watch Sin City.

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It is an iconic, like borderline campy noir movie.

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It's an ensemble piece.

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It's very fun.

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The sequel's kind of ass, but damn if this didn't break some barriers in what, 2005, 2006 when it came out.

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Yeah, the original Sin City is just a Marvel, like, visually.

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Fully.

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Bruce Willis plays a cop with a bum ticker, which I remember him saying very viscerally in my head, who has an affinity for a little girl that he saved many years ago.

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The cop is John Hartigan.

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The girl is Nancy Callahan.

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And before you go there, yes, there was a conscious effort to make it not as horny as Sin City, because it's called Sin City.

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That version's very horny.

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But Naughty Dog was like, let's take the sex part out of this and create this relationship based on trust and caring for and a surrogate father and a girl who needs help but has grown up in a rough world.

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All this wonderful stuff.

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But if you do see any illusions there, well, that's where it's from.

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Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

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I get that.

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Joel is named after Joel Cohen, one of the Cohen brothers.

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Who's your favorite Cohen?

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Cause mine is Sandy.

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Sandy Cohen from the OC.

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Yes, that's my favorite.

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That's a fair Cohen to life.

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So with that core relationship set with a backdrop inspired by Night of the Living Dead, Neil set out to write something a lot darker and more grounded than Uncharted.

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Funny enough, the hardest mode in The Last of Us is called grounded, so that's actually a better joke than you're all giving me credit for.

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No, that's good.

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Thank you.

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As Druckmann worked on the script, he also realized he'd have to work really closely with the performers at this game's heart to really make sure that that relationship sells, because it's one thing to see a performance on a stage.

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It's another thing to see performance in a movie.

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To see a performance hidden by levels of video game art and CGI, that's a performance.

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You really gotta not only sell to the cheap seats, but have a lot of tight nuances to create that humanity.

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He was like, holy shit, we gotta tell a lot of story with a lot of really good acting.

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Well, that makes sense, because you know you're going to be from the perspective of one of those characters at the very minimum.

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And so if you're gonna be playing as them, you need to really, really feel for them.

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Absolutely.

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So those performances have to be so much better than you would even actually see in a movie, because you have to sell it, because you have to believe that you would be doing that.

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Right, yeah.

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There's even that level of being intimate of that's me, that's how I feel right now.

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Oh, it's beautiful.

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Especially if you're going to try to sell that character on doing something that the player might not agree with.

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Right, which is perhaps a little trickier in The Last of Us Part 2, where the protagonists you play as fight each other constantly.

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Now, going through Neil's process of writing and developing the story and these emotional beats, he kind of came to realize he should direct this.

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It wasn't always the original plan.

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There was a different director that has shot some scenes that did make it into the final game.

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But as the project came together, it was clear he had the vision and the best understanding for this role and for what needs to be told within the story for it to be effective.

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Yeah, it's almost like how JK.

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Rowling has always said, like, the world of Harry Potter has always been full and complete to her.

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And she just kind of is transcribing it for everybody.

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In that sense, Neil Druckmann really just fully understood the world, and he's like, I can't seem to get this out of somebody else.

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I think I need to be the one, like, driving the ship on this.

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Yeah.

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When Neil was officially crowned as the director of The Last of Us, or promoted, but we're gonna say crowned because that's funnier.

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Right.

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The performer for Joel, Troy Baker, was the one to actually present him with his on-set director's chair.

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Oh, I thought you were gonna say crowned.

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He was crowned.

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Yeah, literally kneeled down.

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Kneel, kneel down.

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Yes.

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Neil did work with Bruce Strally, who's a longtime Naughty Dog director as well, but we all know where the heart blood of the game is.

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Right.

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Now, speaking of performers like Troy Baker, how can we not talk about the performers like Troy Baker?

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Right.

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Neil actually took some acting classes within his process of developing the story, so he could better connect with the performers and talk to them within that actor language and connect with them on how they could best give these performances, because it was so important to him, which I love.

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That's a really smart move on his part to do, because you don't see a lot of directors that really can understand an actor.

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Yeah.

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And they kind of other themselves from them, you know?

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But the ones that can really get down into it, that's why you see some directors come from acting as well.

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You know, Ben Affleck won a fucking directing Oscar.

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You know, he's got a writing and directing Oscar, none of them for acting.

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No, but that's what you know him from is those Dunkin Donut commercials.

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Right, but he also pulls really great performances out of others, because he can speak the same language as them.

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I agree.

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I think that's very fair.

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And you know, one of the most popular directors, Ron Howard was a child actor, who's only known this world and has lived and worked with so many fucking actors.

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He knows exactly how to connect with them and drive a great performance.

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Clint Eastwood, that's another one that came out of acting.

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Yeah, a lot of wonderful, wonderful directors come out of acting, and it's because they give a shit about what the actors are trying to do.

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I think Don't Worry Darling is better directed than Olivia's acting performance.

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I think Olivia Wilde did a better job as a director than she did as a performer in that.

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Straight up, but that's near the, you know, there.

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Those who can't do teach, so.

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Something like that, yeah.

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Joel Miller, the protagonist, is portrayed by Pedro Pascal, but in this version, we're talking about Troy Baker.

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Right.

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Which I'm just being a cunt.

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Troy Baker is an incredible video game performer, and I'm not just saying voice actor because he does mocap in most things, including this.

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Yeah, I mean, if the Avatar kids get to be called actors, he is definitely an actor.

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That's a fucking Lutely.

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You know Troy Baker from fucking everything.

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Joel Miller is clearly one of his top build, but he's also Booker in Bioshock Infinite, so take a Bioshot, everyone.

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Yeah.

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We will never forget to do the Bioshot, don't worry.

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We'll find a way, damn it.

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Not in every episode, but we'll work it in.

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In most.

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Bioshock Infinite, he plays Booker, who's a strange man who plays surrogate father to this little girl he's gotta chase through a city.

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That doesn't sound familiar at all.

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Nope.

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On the other hand, he's also Sam Drake in Uncharted 4, where he plays a gunslinging, sweaty Naughty Dog character.

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Another one?

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Also.

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Probably not foreshadowing or related or anything at all.

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So he's done a ton of stuff within Naughty Dog without Naughty Dog.

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I'm very excited for Fort Solace coming up because that is kind of a space adventure with him and Roger Clark, who plays Arthur in Red Dead 2, and they will not release any goddamn footage despite me begging silently.

00:20:49.738 --> 00:20:54.938
Yeah, you were so disappointed during all of the announcements these last few weeks because there's no E3.

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Yeah, we're coming out of Summer Games Fest and I got nothing on Fort Solace.

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I got nothing on GTA 6.

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I got nothing from Naughty Dog.

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Nothing at all.

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Ah, just sad.

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Just the cancellation of one of their games, actually.

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Oh shit?

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Well, yeah, The Last of Us 2 Multiplayer kinda got scrapped.

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That's right.

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That's correct.

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You're right.

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He's also not in that.

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Right.

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But Troy Baker, to this point, he's been across the board.

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He gets around.

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He's been nominated for awards, notably his work in voiceover and anime adaptations and some other video games.

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But the first award he won in his acting career was for The Last of Us.

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Wow, good for him.

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Yeah, him and Nolan North really just, in these last couple of games from Naughty Dog, that's when everybody started to really be like, damn, you guys have been carrying this shit for a minute, haven't you?

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You are the reason Naughty Dog has their lights on.

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Why don't we give you some flowers there?

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He has, since Last of Us, done quite well in the awards department, but this was just the real big breakthrough.

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I am a household fucking name now.

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And with that comes a little bit of a bigger ego, I'm sure.

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I don't know him like that, but good for him.

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He's got a kid he has to pay for, like, you know, he's got a son to send through college.

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Gotta get that bag.

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Get the bag, honey.

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To pair with Troy, Naughty Dog hired long time actor and full time Dungeons and Dragons star, Ashley Johnson.

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Oh, I love Ashley Johnson.

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Who doesn't?

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Oh, she's wonderful.

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Everybody saw her in The Avengers, the original one.

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Yes, for five seconds.

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Yeah, she was a waitress.

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Ashley's IMDB is insane, and she's been working for longer than I've been alive, which is an actual fact.

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Wow, she doesn't even look that old.

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Oh, she looks incredible for her, however old she is.

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She's either 30 or 40 years old.

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She's incredible.

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Ashley has won so many awards for her performance in The Last of Us with back-to-back BAFTA wins for The Last of Us Part 1 and The Last of Us Left Behind DLC.

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Hell fucking yeah, that's great for her.

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And it proved that she could carry the entire series after that if she needed to.

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And she did, she was actually the first person cast for The Last of Us as well.

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That's great.

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All of the performers in The Last of Us did both motion capture and vocal performances for the game, which isn't uncommon.

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You always have to do some ADR just to get some vocal tones correct.

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And there is a lot of footage of the actual creation of the game.

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So you can see the performers in their mocap suits side by side with whatever scene actually ended up in the game, which is so fun.

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They're all over YouTube.

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I don't even have to just type in mocap last of us.

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You will get so much content.

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It is delightful.

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Just some wonderful looking people in ping pong balls.

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Oh yeah, and it's kind of hard to get those ping pong ball shots.

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They're not particularly flattering.

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So having that content is rare.

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You know, all this hard work paid off.

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All those long nights in ping pong ball suits, all paid out because the first week this game came out, it sold over 1.3 million copies.

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God damn, that is so great.

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Especially for a new franchise, right?

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Like, yes, Grand Theft Auto V did a billion dollars in three days.

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It's not even the fifth Grand Theft Auto game.

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It's like, there's so many, so much built up to that.

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You know, that absolutely incredible game, also one of my favorites of all time, deserved that billion dollars.

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But this is a brand new franchise.

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No one knew.

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Yeah, they just had the trust of Naughty Dog on its shoulders, and that's really it.

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That's it.

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Within the first five years of this game, it moved 17 million units, and that was only with PS3 and PS4.

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That's incredible.

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I know we waited until it came to PS4.

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Right, because they released it in 2013, and then in 2014, there was a remastered, so we were like, oh, yeah, I'm not gonna play the less good version of this.

00:24:38.498 --> 00:24:41.958
Yeah, because it came out right at the end of the PS3's life cycle, really.

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Yeah, which it happens.

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Yeah.

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The game has since sold millions and millions and millions and millions more copies across each upgraded console generation, which typically gets a remaster with each upgrade.

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Recently, the rebuild of the game that I've just played had the team literally rebuilding The Last of Us Part 1 completely from the ground up rather than a remaster, where you go in and you tweak things and upgrade them.

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Right.

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That is so much labor to go into, like, the fact that they have not made Last of Us 3.

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They're like, no, we're just gonna completely redo the first one.

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We're just gonna keep chugging on this one, baby.

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But, you know, the hard work is paying off because it's bringing this game to more and more generations and it's moving even more copies today, 10 years after its initial launch.

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And that's really been Neil Druckmann's goal from day one was to try to get this story into as many hands as humanly possible, and that's also what led to the TV series.

00:25:35.678 --> 00:25:36.058
Right.

00:25:36.278 --> 00:25:37.598
Now, I'm glad you brought that up.

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The HBO series launched in early 2023 to immediate fanfare.

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People were obsessed, people loved it.

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Outside of the gaming community, people loved it.

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It became a crossover fan fanatic hit, which is awesome.

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It is basically heralded as the first quote unquote good adaptation of a video game franchise.

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Sorry, Mortal Kombat.

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You know, Mortal Kombat was good.

00:26:01.218 --> 00:26:03.738
I think the first Sonic movie was pretty decent as well.

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Those were fun, but they're not great.

00:26:06.818 --> 00:26:07.238
True.

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This is great.

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This is a very big upgrade to it.

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And what I think is really important was that it was so close to the game.

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However, it left so many things for fans of the game to discover for themselves as well.

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Oh, absolutely.

00:26:23.318 --> 00:26:30.158
And just the brilliant casting of Pedro Pascal, America's daddy as a daddy figure.

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Yeah, that's true, too.

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It's so good.

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And you know, it's just as many copies or units as Troy Baker moves, he'll never reach the level of daddy as Pedro Pascal.

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And Troy is an actual father.

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And I am admittedly a Pedro Pascal fan bitch.

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Like I stan, I fucking, I'm here for it.

00:26:50.738 --> 00:26:54.078
I watch those stupid videos on TikTok of him just dancing.

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Brings me joy.

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You've watched his Saturday Night Live episode many times.

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There's just that one segment where he comes out of the coma and he's talking with the mush mouth.

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And I don't know why, but it changed my brain chemistry where I'm like, this is fucking peak comedy.

00:27:09.018 --> 00:27:11.338
Him speaking with a slightly funny accent.

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But then there's also the amazing Bella Ramsey as Ellie.

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They are brilliant.

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They are such a great Ellie.

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And even Ashley Johnson and Troy Baker have gone on to be like, this is perfect casting for both of them.

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You guys fucking nailed this shit.

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Yeah, most definitely.

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I love them both.

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They have also the most amazing relationship you can tell from all their red carpet and all their press that they're doing.

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They're just super friends with each other.

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And that's what they need from their Ellie and Joel.

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And they came up on Game of Thrones together.

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They didn't, I don't even think they interacted, but they have the same experience of being on this wild HBO adventure prior to this wild HBO adventure.

00:27:49.638 --> 00:27:53.898
Yeah, I think HBO has like a stable of actors that they really love reusing.

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And it's totally fine.

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They have a solid stable.

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Absolutely.

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And creators just in general.

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True, too.

00:28:01.058 --> 00:28:03.698
That's actually how The Last of Us TV show got made.

00:28:03.718 --> 00:28:05.398
Do you know the story of how it got made?

00:28:05.498 --> 00:28:09.918
Yeah, so Craig Mazin, he is the co-showrunner for the TV series.

00:28:10.678 --> 00:28:12.338
And so he played Last of Us.

00:28:12.398 --> 00:28:13.498
He absolutely loved it.

00:28:13.518 --> 00:28:17.258
He just called up Neil Druckmann's like, let's do lunch, you know, as they do.

00:28:17.518 --> 00:28:18.558
Very LA.

00:28:18.818 --> 00:28:19.718
Super LA.

00:28:19.918 --> 00:28:25.158
Now, Craig Mazin had just done the TV show Chernobyl, which won all the awards and all the accolades.

00:28:25.218 --> 00:28:30.498
And so HBO is basically like, yeah, whatever you want to do next is your project.

00:28:30.518 --> 00:28:34.298
And so he sat down with Neil and Neil's like, so how do we do this as a TV show?

00:28:34.318 --> 00:28:39.638
And Craig says, we walk across the street to HBO, and I say, this is the next show I want to do.

00:28:39.978 --> 00:28:41.398
And the rest is history.

00:28:41.418 --> 00:28:43.918
Yeah, literally how the entire show came to be.

00:28:43.918 --> 00:28:49.018
And so that's how lucky we are, was that these two just kind of came together, and yeah, it's beautiful.

00:28:49.058 --> 00:28:59.178
Yeah, it was actually Shannon Woodward, who plays Dina in Last of Us Part 2, who introduced the two of them, because she was a part of that HBO stable that I was talking about earlier, having starred in Westworld.

00:28:59.338 --> 00:29:00.158
Bless her.

00:29:00.198 --> 00:29:01.038
What the fuck?

00:29:01.058 --> 00:29:01.678
Are you serious?

00:29:01.698 --> 00:29:11.078
Yeah, she was like, after she met Neil, and then after she met Craig, she was like, you guys would get along so fucking well, you guys need to be friends, and she completely introduced them to each other that way.

00:29:11.558 --> 00:29:15.318
I hope they give her like 4%, or something, you know?

00:29:15.578 --> 00:29:18.518
She deserves so much for everything she's done.

00:29:18.918 --> 00:29:32.558
Neil's apprehension, I understand, because this was in development hell as a movie with Sam Raimi helming it for a long time, and it was just trapped in production hell, but that's so fucking cool that it pivoted to a TV show.

00:29:32.578 --> 00:29:34.698
I love the show, I think it's wonderful.

00:29:34.718 --> 00:29:37.678
It's not a perfect show, but it's a very, very, very good show.

00:29:38.158 --> 00:29:41.638
And Sam Raimi could have brought a lot to it, but I don't think he can tell the full story in two hours.

00:29:41.898 --> 00:29:44.918
Oh, I absolutely agree, and I think it might be a little hammy with Raimi.

00:29:45.058 --> 00:29:46.078
A little bit, yeah.

00:29:46.098 --> 00:29:48.298
The cordyceps would probably be a little bit cheesier.

00:29:48.598 --> 00:29:52.878
Where would Bruce Campbell show up in The Last of Us movie?

00:29:52.898 --> 00:29:56.718
Because you know Bruce Campbell has to show up legally in every Sam Raimi movie.

00:29:56.738 --> 00:29:58.498
Oh, he would be Bill.

00:29:58.518 --> 00:29:59.458
Oh, that's a good Bill.

00:29:59.518 --> 00:30:00.898
I do love Nick Offerman's Bill.

00:30:00.938 --> 00:30:04.358
I am fully on that team of that is a beautiful script.

00:30:04.378 --> 00:30:07.278
It is beautifully executed and it's absolutely lovely.

00:30:07.298 --> 00:30:12.418
It's a great pivot from what we see, which I will get into obviously, but you're right, Bruce Campbell would be Bill.

00:30:12.658 --> 00:30:16.138
That episode made Steven Spielberg call Neil Druckmann and say, good work.

00:30:16.178 --> 00:30:17.478
Holy shit, really?

00:30:17.498 --> 00:30:17.778
Yeah.

00:30:18.218 --> 00:30:19.058
God damn.

00:30:19.238 --> 00:30:22.238
Oh yeah, no, that episode really just kind of changed lives for a lot of people.

00:30:23.058 --> 00:30:27.258
And Neil started as an intern for everyone, a muffin slinging intern.

00:30:27.658 --> 00:30:38.018
Now, the legacy of The Last of Us has started countless handmade Etsy listings, totems, tattoos, fanfic, comic, cosplay, fan videos that are all over YouTube.

00:30:38.038 --> 00:30:42.978
There's a whole world of people creating content in this outside of Craig Mazin and Neil Druckmann.

00:30:43.858 --> 00:30:46.838
We've covered The Last of Us Left Behind DLC on our Patreon.

00:30:46.858 --> 00:30:49.618
We've covered the sequel a couple seasons ago on our main show.

00:30:50.138 --> 00:30:56.138
And to follow suit with Naughty Dog, we're going to rebuild our episode on The Last of Us Part 1 from the ground up.

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This is The Last of Us Part 1.

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The game starts on Outbreak Day, which is September 26th, 2013.

00:31:05.058 --> 00:31:08.718
In the HBO series, Outbreak Day is September 26th, 2003.

00:31:09.398 --> 00:31:12.098
I'll throw that out there before anyone tries to catch me on it.

00:31:12.338 --> 00:31:14.738
Yeah, they unnecessarily did that, I think.

00:31:14.758 --> 00:31:18.758
I feel like they just wanted to make it this year for the future part, but like.

00:31:19.218 --> 00:31:20.598
Oh, they didn't want to confuse anyone.

00:31:20.618 --> 00:31:23.418
They're like, we need to get people to buy into a fungus.

00:31:24.338 --> 00:31:26.598
So let's not fuck them up with dates, you know?

00:31:26.798 --> 00:31:27.238
Totally.

00:31:27.258 --> 00:31:32.438
The game opens with a Naughty Dog game title card, and we see Sarah Miller asleep on a couch.

00:31:33.098 --> 00:31:41.618
She's this small blonde 12-year-old girl in her jammie jams, who's played by Hannah Hayes, who was only 11 years old when she booked and did this job.

00:31:41.678 --> 00:31:42.398
Wow.

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And she fucking kills it.

00:31:46.218 --> 00:31:48.558
Well, she has to carry the entire prologue.

00:31:48.638 --> 00:31:56.138
Yeah, it's late at night and Joel Miller comes in the house while he's on the phone telling someone named Tommy that he can't lose this job.

00:31:56.318 --> 00:31:59.838
This wakes Sarah up as Joel kind of flops down on the couch next to her.

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He asks why she's still up and she says, it's still today.

00:32:04.238 --> 00:32:07.138
And she hands him a small box and says it's for your birthday.

00:32:07.518 --> 00:32:07.718
Oh.

00:32:07.858 --> 00:32:11.578
Today, September 26th, 2013, is Joel's birthday.

00:32:11.998 --> 00:32:12.878
Happy birthday, Joel.

00:32:12.978 --> 00:32:13.778
Joel's a Libra.

00:32:13.938 --> 00:32:19.338
It's debatable how old he is, but lore in the game is that he's turning 29.

00:32:19.638 --> 00:32:21.298
I had always felt that it was 29.

00:32:21.438 --> 00:32:21.858
Really?

00:32:21.878 --> 00:32:23.098
You had that gut feeling.

00:32:23.118 --> 00:32:24.358
Yeah, he looks 29.

00:32:24.978 --> 00:32:27.418
In the show, it says that he's turning 36.

00:32:27.958 --> 00:32:28.758
Oh damn, really?

00:32:28.778 --> 00:32:36.778
To make him more of a mature dad, because if you do the math, Joel had Sarah at 17 in the game, making him a bit of a fuck boy.

00:32:38.278 --> 00:32:44.058
You know, there's not a lot of love for the teen dads out there, but if you guys love teen dads, you're gonna love The Last of Us.

00:32:44.078 --> 00:32:44.418
Right.

00:32:44.598 --> 00:32:45.558
Or something, I don't know.

00:32:45.638 --> 00:32:48.018
Joel opens the box to find a watch.

00:32:48.518 --> 00:32:50.038
Sarah asks if he likes it.

00:32:50.258 --> 00:32:52.738
Joel puts it on and is like, hey, it's broken.

00:32:52.798 --> 00:32:54.278
But he's just giving her a hard time.

00:32:55.238 --> 00:32:59.458
He asks how she could afford it, and she says, drugs, I sell hardcore drugs.

00:33:00.018 --> 00:33:01.578
They're from Texas, I wasn't being rude.

00:33:01.618 --> 00:33:01.918
Right.

00:33:03.558 --> 00:33:06.898
It just feels like a bit of an older joke for Sarah to say, to be real.

00:33:06.998 --> 00:33:08.098
For a 12 year old?

00:33:08.278 --> 00:33:08.758
Yeah.

00:33:08.778 --> 00:33:14.678
She's got a single dad, she's a latchkey kid, she's in downtown Austin, you know, she's not like sheltered.

00:33:14.718 --> 00:33:16.338
She does have a dumb ass for an uncle.

00:33:17.278 --> 00:33:18.158
We'll meet him later.

00:33:19.098 --> 00:33:23.678
I forgot how much we rag on Tommy in the second game.

00:33:24.558 --> 00:33:29.758
Sarah falls back asleep on the couch and Joel scoops her up and walks her upstairs to her bedroom.

00:33:30.098 --> 00:33:38.958
I didn't catch this line, and I don't know if it's in the final cut, but in one take of the shot, Joel scoops up Sarah to put her back to bed and Troy Baker called her baby girl.

00:33:39.218 --> 00:33:40.658
This was an improv line.

00:33:40.878 --> 00:33:44.598
And Neil Druckmann stopped to ask Troy, hey wait, what did you just call her?

00:33:44.998 --> 00:33:47.098
Troy said, I'm just riffing, I called her baby girl.

00:33:47.458 --> 00:33:50.038
Neil said, that's it, that's what you call her now.

00:33:51.118 --> 00:33:52.558
Oh wow, that's pretty beautiful.

00:33:52.698 --> 00:33:55.038
Girl, it's gonna mean a lot in 10 minutes.

00:33:55.258 --> 00:33:57.618
That's not the only time that shit like this happens.

00:33:57.678 --> 00:34:03.498
And like little decisions that these actors make end up changing the entire course of the game.

00:34:03.778 --> 00:34:05.818
Yes, and I fully agree.

00:34:05.838 --> 00:34:14.118
And I think Neil is one of those people who understand that the people performing have as much ownership of the character as he does as the writer and director.

00:34:14.418 --> 00:34:26.478
You know, maybe he learned a lot from the Uncharted series, where, as you said, the first one had no script whatsoever, and the actors improvised the entire fucking game.

00:34:26.498 --> 00:34:34.238
My favorite thing in that entire episode that we did last season is you being so mad at me for telling you there was no script.

00:34:34.318 --> 00:34:35.578
But no, you're absolutely right.

00:34:35.598 --> 00:34:39.098
Amy Henning ran a ship where it was, we need to get from A to Z in this scene.

00:34:39.478 --> 00:34:40.618
You own these characters.

00:34:40.738 --> 00:34:42.178
How do you think they would get to it?

00:34:42.758 --> 00:34:56.538
And trying to empower these performers to embody these characters, and not just read off teleprompter, but own who these people are, own their backstories, and live in that skin to say, no, no, they would react like this, or this is what they would be comfortable doing.

00:34:56.838 --> 00:35:04.878
Yeah, it was like he took the best parts of that experience of, you know, yeah, the improv and relying on your actors to help drive the story is important.

00:35:04.898 --> 00:35:08.118
But also let's give them a little bit more direction than no fucking script at all.

00:35:08.298 --> 00:35:09.818
Yeah, there is a real script for this.

00:35:09.838 --> 00:35:10.138
Yeah.

00:35:10.558 --> 00:35:11.558
I'll give you that one.

00:35:11.718 --> 00:35:17.338
The first guitar twangs of The Last of Us melody start to play as Sarah sleeps peacefully in her bed.

00:35:17.998 --> 00:35:20.378
Sometime later, Sarah's woken up by a phone call.

00:35:20.838 --> 00:35:24.058
This is a dated game because there was a landline in this house.

00:35:24.078 --> 00:35:24.778
Yeah.

00:35:25.198 --> 00:35:29.038
It's a frantic Uncle Tommy who's like, I need to speak to your dad right now.

00:35:29.538 --> 00:35:30.758
But then the call cuts out.

00:35:31.878 --> 00:35:33.218
Sarah's like, what the fuck?

00:35:33.218 --> 00:35:36.518
Gets out of bed, starts wandering around the house looking for her dad.

00:35:37.138 --> 00:35:40.418
She goes to her dad's room and sees the news is on his TV.

00:35:41.098 --> 00:35:46.758
There's a reporter talking about an infection and during the news broadcast, an explosion goes off.

00:35:47.358 --> 00:35:53.078
The reporter on the scene in this piece is voiced by the one and only Laura Bailey.

00:35:53.658 --> 00:35:55.458
Oh, she's gonna show up a couple of times.

00:35:55.858 --> 00:36:03.158
Laura Bailey, if you have no idea what's coming, plays Abby in The Last of Us Part 2.

00:36:03.598 --> 00:36:06.118
She's the body actor and voice actor, right?

00:36:06.298 --> 00:36:06.818
Correct.

00:36:07.178 --> 00:36:08.418
She is the full performer.

00:36:08.778 --> 00:36:11.678
I believe she did get a BAFTA for Abby, or at least nominated.

00:36:11.718 --> 00:36:14.538
She's very well-decorated for that performance.

00:36:14.558 --> 00:36:17.618
And she's in a ton of other games and pieces.

00:36:18.138 --> 00:36:18.958
She's very beautiful.

00:36:18.978 --> 00:36:20.418
I'm sure she's also done screen.

00:36:20.438 --> 00:36:22.138
She is just a great performer in general.

00:36:22.158 --> 00:36:27.358
But she's just here as a nameless character in The Last of Us Part 1.

00:36:27.378 --> 00:36:32.738
And it's kind of nice foreshadowing to see her show up at the beginning of this game as the harbinger of the infection.

00:36:32.758 --> 00:36:33.878
Ooh, yeah.

00:36:34.158 --> 00:36:40.878
Sarah can also find a newspaper showing that there's some sort of pandemic starting to seep into the world, something to do with crops.

00:36:40.978 --> 00:36:44.978
And this part is actually elaborated very well on in the HBO series.

00:36:45.398 --> 00:36:54.118
True, because I always felt like the Cordyceps virus and the way it was presented in the video game, I was always like, I feel like we could have probably stopped this.

00:36:54.718 --> 00:37:01.078
But the way the TV show really explains it and goes into the science behind it, I'm like, oh no, we were fucked.

00:37:01.238 --> 00:37:07.358
Yeah, and having lived through a global pandemic, we're like, no, we're kind of idiots as a group of people.

00:37:07.498 --> 00:37:07.838
Yeah.

00:37:08.818 --> 00:37:10.198
We would lose the fight, y'all.

00:37:10.318 --> 00:37:10.678
Yep.

00:37:10.978 --> 00:37:14.338
Sarah goes downstairs to look for her dad and sees Joel's cell phone.

00:37:14.818 --> 00:37:16.438
It says it's nearly 2 a.m.

00:37:16.558 --> 00:37:19.618
and he has a ton of missed calls and messages just from Tommy.

00:37:19.978 --> 00:37:27.738
The night still feels really still and quiet, despite the news reports that she just saw and all this kind of chaos surrounding the house.

00:37:28.298 --> 00:37:35.078
She wanders around alone in her jammie jams and the house has no mention of a mother or any other family for that matter.

00:37:35.518 --> 00:37:40.198
So it's kind of clear that she, Joel and Tommy are kind of all they have in the world.

00:37:40.218 --> 00:37:44.238
You know what this whole section reminded me of was actually life is strange.

00:37:45.198 --> 00:37:48.718
Mm, just kind of exploring, picking shit up and going, oh, that's crazy.

00:37:48.818 --> 00:37:54.038
Yeah, kind of wandering around the house looking at shit because you're also playing as kind of a young girl as well on top of that.

00:37:54.058 --> 00:37:55.758
It's not an action heavy scene at all.

00:37:55.838 --> 00:37:56.298
Yeah.

00:37:56.498 --> 00:37:58.918
So yeah, you're just more like experiencing things.

00:37:58.978 --> 00:38:00.318
I'll give you that, absolutely.

00:38:00.958 --> 00:38:02.118
She's also got a short haircut.

00:38:02.158 --> 00:38:02.398
Yep.

00:38:03.518 --> 00:38:08.998
As Sarah gets towards the back of the house, Joel comes in running through the sliding glass door from the backyard.

00:38:09.558 --> 00:38:14.178
He is frantic, and Sarah is scared just seeing her father scared.

00:38:14.878 --> 00:38:17.318
He asks if she's okay and if anyone came in the house.

00:38:18.138 --> 00:38:22.478
Their neighbor, Jimmy Cooper, on the run from his former Newport life and two daughters.

00:38:22.538 --> 00:38:25.158
I was gonna say Jimmy Cooper from the OC.

00:38:25.518 --> 00:38:29.458
I'm sorry that I've had two OC references in this joke so far.

00:38:29.558 --> 00:38:31.758
But why did they have to name the neighbor Jimmy Cooper?

00:38:35.318 --> 00:38:39.278
Oh, this joke is only funny to a handful of people that have watched the OC, but damn, that's funny.

00:38:39.298 --> 00:38:40.638
But damn if you're not one of them.

00:38:41.558 --> 00:38:45.958
Anyway, Jimmy Cooper slams his entire body weight against the back of the glass door.

00:38:46.618 --> 00:38:49.878
He is dripping blood and he is ravenous.

00:38:50.458 --> 00:38:56.998
Jimmy does break through that glass door and lunges at Joel and Sarah, but Joel is ready with a revolver and he shoots him down.

00:38:57.938 --> 00:39:01.578
Sarah just saw her father shoot their neighbor.

00:39:01.778 --> 00:39:02.338
Yeah.

00:39:03.178 --> 00:39:04.378
She woke up from a nap.

00:39:06.378 --> 00:39:09.738
Joel and Sarah exit the house to see Tommy parked up on their lawn.

00:39:10.018 --> 00:39:10.838
Very classy.

00:39:11.218 --> 00:39:12.718
Ready to get them all out of the city.

00:39:12.978 --> 00:39:17.558
Apparently cell phones, radio signals, TV, landlines, they're all starting to go down.

00:39:17.758 --> 00:39:18.298
Oh, fuck.

00:39:18.438 --> 00:39:20.538
People are fucking panicking.

00:39:20.778 --> 00:39:28.058
They get in the car, Tommy drives Joel and Sarah through the back roads towards the freeway, getting ready to leave town, but as they turn around, they're like, shit.

00:39:28.438 --> 00:39:30.398
It's complete bumper to bumper traffic.

00:39:30.878 --> 00:39:33.538
Tommy's like, it's fine, we'll drive through the city, we'll get out of here.

00:39:34.078 --> 00:39:40.178
As he's getting through the city, there's people running, they're screaming, and Tommy almost immediately gets T-boned.

00:39:41.178 --> 00:39:42.078
Oh God, Tommy.

00:39:42.398 --> 00:39:47.538
Here, the player's perspective shifts from playing as Sarah to starting our journey as Joel.

00:39:48.238 --> 00:39:48.658
Oh, okay.

00:39:48.958 --> 00:39:53.298
After the car gets hit, the car fully revolves, turns around a couple of times.

00:39:53.618 --> 00:39:57.438
Joel has to crawl out of the car and also pulls his daughter, Sarah, out of the car.

00:39:58.298 --> 00:40:01.818
Sarah hurt her leg, she probably broke it, she was just in a car accident.

00:40:02.058 --> 00:40:02.458
Right.

00:40:02.518 --> 00:40:07.698
So Joel once again scoops her up in his arms and gives Tommy the gun he had to cover them.

00:40:08.298 --> 00:40:09.718
He's got his arms full of child.

00:40:09.878 --> 00:40:10.258
Right.

00:40:11.318 --> 00:40:18.058
All around the streets, people are fighting, there's fire starting, people are sprinting, screaming, fighting.

00:40:18.118 --> 00:40:21.378
It is wild, and Sarah is horrified.

00:40:22.038 --> 00:40:25.878
She is clinging to Joel as he and Tommy start navigating the chaos of the city.

00:40:26.338 --> 00:40:29.278
And this is where we start to see the first few infected.

00:40:30.098 --> 00:40:32.618
Oh, this is such a great sequence.

00:40:32.718 --> 00:40:36.238
And I have to say, the way the show captured all this was perfect.

00:40:36.498 --> 00:40:38.158
It was exactly like in the game.

00:40:38.198 --> 00:40:38.638
Yeah.

00:40:38.758 --> 00:40:42.498
This one's pretty beat for beat, and it gives you the exact same feeling of fear.

00:40:42.678 --> 00:40:46.358
And holy shit, I thought everything was fine and nothing is fine.

00:40:46.558 --> 00:40:50.618
I also do love that the TV show threw in an airplane crashing down.

00:40:50.658 --> 00:40:52.058
That was so fucking cool.

00:40:52.158 --> 00:40:54.558
Yeah, I was kind of sad that wasn't in the game itself.

00:40:55.198 --> 00:41:02.558
That's almost like the Bioshock Whale moment where you're like, this is wild, and then something really bombastic happens, and you're like, holy shit, dude.

00:41:02.578 --> 00:41:06.318
Okay, yeah, the full fucking collapse of society is occurring immediately.

00:41:06.338 --> 00:41:07.098
In front of me.

00:41:07.658 --> 00:41:14.018
This first few infected people you see, they are bloody, they're screaming, and they're violent, and they're looking to rip people apart.

00:41:14.238 --> 00:41:14.438
Ugh.

00:41:15.418 --> 00:41:17.898
We see them chase people and tackle them in the streets.

00:41:18.758 --> 00:41:27.498
Joel and Tommy are able to get through some of the crowds, but when they come up on a bunch of infected, Tommy says he'll hang back and clear them out so Joel and Sarah can get farther away.

00:41:27.758 --> 00:41:31.078
Tommy tells Joel to head down to the highway and he'll catch up later.

00:41:31.478 --> 00:41:41.558
Joel runs down through the outskirts of town, and as he does, two infected come pouring out of a tipped over ambulance and chase Joel while he's carrying Sarah down towards this highway.

00:41:41.918 --> 00:41:45.938
As the infected come up on Joel, shots ring out, and the infected are down.

00:41:46.478 --> 00:41:46.738
Ugh.

00:41:47.058 --> 00:41:53.258
Joel winces as these shots are fired, but looks up and sees a fully kitted out soldier holding a gun in front of him.

00:41:53.598 --> 00:41:59.078
Joel begs for help, saying his daughter's leg is broken and that they're not infected, they just need help.

00:42:00.098 --> 00:42:02.578
The soldier walkies in that he found two civilians.

00:42:03.418 --> 00:42:09.718
We can't hear what's on the other end of the line, but we do hear the soldier say, Sir, there's a little girl.

00:42:10.178 --> 00:42:14.498
Sarah is scared and confused, but Joel already knows what's coming after hearing that.

00:42:14.898 --> 00:42:17.518
Yeah, fucking hell, we all do, this is terrible.

00:42:17.978 --> 00:42:23.778
Joel tries to reason with him, saying, Look, man, we've been through hell, but that gun is already raised.

00:42:24.738 --> 00:42:30.258
Joel turns over his shoulder as the shots are fired, and he and Sarah go tumbling down this part of a hill.

00:42:31.358 --> 00:42:34.798
The soldier runs up to Joel aiming for his face to finish the job.

00:42:35.358 --> 00:42:38.598
When Tommy finally catches up and shoots the soldier through the neck.

00:42:38.898 --> 00:42:40.958
Oh, fuck yeah, Tommy is useful finally.

00:42:40.978 --> 00:42:43.258
This is the first time we see Tommy.

00:42:43.278 --> 00:42:43.538
Yeah.

00:42:44.078 --> 00:42:47.918
And he is a badass in this beat, aside from getting the car wrecked.

00:42:47.938 --> 00:42:49.058
I was gonna say, he flipped the car.

00:42:49.158 --> 00:42:50.798
Okay, so we're one for one on Tommy.

00:42:51.218 --> 00:42:53.378
We're neutral on Tommy Miller right now.

00:42:54.238 --> 00:42:58.118
Tommy looks just past where the soldier fell, and he says, oh no.

00:42:58.498 --> 00:43:00.738
Joel turns and sees Sarah bleeding out.

00:43:01.678 --> 00:43:04.038
He scoops her up in his arms one last time.

00:43:04.838 --> 00:43:07.318
He holds her, he tries to stop the bleeding.

00:43:07.798 --> 00:43:09.218
He tells her she'll be okay.

00:43:09.778 --> 00:43:14.858
He calls her baby, and soon the light in her eyes is gone, and she dies in his arms.

00:43:14.898 --> 00:43:16.638
It's fucking tragic.

00:43:16.638 --> 00:43:19.218
You can see the light fucking go out.

00:43:19.338 --> 00:43:21.858
This is the first 15 minutes of the fucking game.

00:43:22.058 --> 00:43:24.418
And we're watching a nine-year-old die in our arms.

00:43:24.598 --> 00:43:25.478
Beautiful opening.

00:43:27.098 --> 00:43:27.738
Beautiful.

00:43:28.698 --> 00:43:38.438
They actually filmed a version of this originally, but Neil saw it, came back, and he's like, I need to try and hand it a comeback and re-film it with different energy.

00:43:39.158 --> 00:43:45.158
Now, the first take, Joel immediately goes into mourning and is like, no, my daughter, everything sucks, I am broken.

00:43:45.978 --> 00:43:54.618
But Neil is like, I need to come back and do a take where Joel tries to fix it and tries to reason and is living inside this moment and hasn't jumped to her being dead.

00:43:54.998 --> 00:43:57.118
He doesn't realize she's gone yet.

00:43:57.738 --> 00:43:59.618
And that's the take they use.

00:44:00.278 --> 00:44:01.838
It's so much more horrifying.

00:44:02.098 --> 00:44:05.358
Troy and Hannah, they both have said they cried for hours all day.

00:44:05.418 --> 00:44:10.178
She said she had a crying hangover the next day because she was so dehydrated from sobbing and shit.

00:44:11.038 --> 00:44:15.998
Well, I mean, if you look at the stage of grieving, denial is always the first part of it.

00:44:16.018 --> 00:44:17.058
That's right, yeah.

00:44:17.078 --> 00:44:20.778
And so it wouldn't be realistic for him to jump to acceptance first.

00:44:20.918 --> 00:44:24.218
Yeah, and as a dad, you're like, no, no, I can fix this, everything's fine.

00:44:24.578 --> 00:44:25.258
Yeah, the whole-

00:44:25.278 --> 00:44:26.438
You're not taking this away from me.

00:44:26.618 --> 00:44:30.898
As a dad, that is the through line of the entire series at this point.

00:44:31.778 --> 00:44:34.698
Troy Baker credits this as the day he became an actor.

00:44:34.918 --> 00:44:35.398
Wow.

00:44:35.758 --> 00:44:36.298
Right?

00:44:36.478 --> 00:44:37.838
Holy shit, okay.

00:44:37.938 --> 00:44:46.138
Hannah Hayes, who played Sarah, has said that her performance in The Last of Us was some of the most profound acting she's ever done.

00:44:46.398 --> 00:44:50.318
And it's juxtaposed with her being in a fucking ping pong ball suit.

00:44:50.318 --> 00:44:52.118
And I was gonna say, she peaked at 11.

00:44:52.138 --> 00:44:53.118
Good for you, I guess.

00:44:54.838 --> 00:44:56.438
Those checks still cash.

00:44:56.658 --> 00:44:57.778
That's true, yeah.

00:44:57.798 --> 00:44:59.618
She's getting some good residuals off that shit.

00:45:00.058 --> 00:45:05.578
After this moment of Joel losing his only child, we get the title card for The Last of Us.

00:45:06.258 --> 00:45:10.498
There's a montage of news reports on the infection spreading throughout the world rapidly.

00:45:10.938 --> 00:45:13.178
And we can see footage of a fungus spreading.

00:45:13.398 --> 00:45:16.998
And that's actual practical footage of a fungus that they captured under a microscope.

00:45:18.158 --> 00:45:23.438
And then we fast forward 20 years later to the summer of 2033.

00:45:23.918 --> 00:45:27.358
I can't tell you how shocked I was to see 20 years later.

00:45:28.078 --> 00:45:29.218
Oh, right?

00:45:29.238 --> 00:45:32.038
Because you're like, yeah, he's, you know, oh, he's almost 30.

00:45:32.058 --> 00:45:34.498
That makes sense for a video game protagonist.

00:45:34.498 --> 00:45:35.378
Entirely.

00:45:35.798 --> 00:45:37.018
Dude's 49.

00:45:37.178 --> 00:45:42.798
Yeah, I was like, wait, this guy was already like, I wouldn't say middle-aged, but he was older.

00:45:42.818 --> 00:45:44.098
Yeah, he's not young.

00:45:44.138 --> 00:45:45.378
He's not Nathan Drake.

00:45:45.398 --> 00:45:47.538
We jumped 20 fucking years.

00:45:47.558 --> 00:45:50.078
I was like, wow, that is a leap.

00:45:50.238 --> 00:45:56.158
And also it just means that we are gonna be deep into this, I'm gonna say it, zombie apocalypse.

00:45:56.898 --> 00:45:57.658
You can say it.

00:45:57.658 --> 00:45:59.298
I'm not gonna knock you on it again.

00:45:59.318 --> 00:46:01.358
If it slips out, we deal with it.

00:46:01.478 --> 00:46:07.718
Yeah, it just shows that we are gonna go so far deep into the zombie apocalypse and things are gonna be fucked.

00:46:08.018 --> 00:46:08.998
Absolutely.

00:46:09.338 --> 00:46:14.318
And you do see how fucked it all is, which is kind of the beauty of this show.

00:46:14.398 --> 00:46:14.918
I agree.

00:46:15.218 --> 00:46:15.698
The show?

00:46:16.218 --> 00:46:16.718
The show.

00:46:16.738 --> 00:46:24.658
Both the show and the game, everything about it, yes, but my brain did go to like, how great is it to see Pedro running around?

00:46:24.658 --> 00:46:30.958
Well, yeah, that haunting image of Pedro just dropping a child's body onto a pile of flaming bodies, you know?

00:46:31.058 --> 00:46:41.578
From holding his dead daughter in his arms crying to just casually throwing a child's body onto a burning pile shows just like what he went through over 20 years.

00:46:42.358 --> 00:46:44.278
And he's still so hot at 49.

00:46:46.438 --> 00:46:47.878
Great, that doesn't happen in the game.

00:46:47.898 --> 00:46:48.898
That's just part of the show.

00:46:48.978 --> 00:46:49.598
Or in life.

00:46:49.998 --> 00:46:50.258
Yeah.

00:46:50.358 --> 00:46:51.878
No one looks that good 20 years later.

00:46:52.758 --> 00:46:54.018
Especially in the apocalypse.

00:46:54.038 --> 00:46:54.518
Oh, right.

00:46:54.538 --> 00:46:55.518
There's no sunscreen.

00:46:56.758 --> 00:47:00.558
20 years later, Joel is in this shitty rundown apartment in Boston.

00:47:00.998 --> 00:47:04.578
He's woken up by Tess played by Annie Wershing pounding at his door.

00:47:05.418 --> 00:47:10.538
Annie Wershing was also in Marvel's Runaways and unfortunately has passed at the age of 45.

00:47:10.558 --> 00:47:11.718
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

00:47:11.858 --> 00:47:14.998
This scene, what that's coming up is actually her audition scene.

00:47:15.038 --> 00:47:17.718
And she beat out quite a lot of performers to get this role.

00:47:18.658 --> 00:47:21.658
Her first audition for this role is actually on her birthday.

00:47:22.058 --> 00:47:22.658
Good for her.

00:47:22.858 --> 00:47:29.138
And she was the third member cast of the full cast, following Ashley being the first and Troy being the second.

00:47:29.518 --> 00:47:33.778
Knowing how much her character does, that's surprising they would cast her third.

00:47:34.118 --> 00:47:34.498
Really?

00:47:35.038 --> 00:47:36.958
Because you're like, oh, she's just in this part.

00:47:37.018 --> 00:47:39.038
Yeah, she's a pretty minor character overall.

00:47:39.558 --> 00:47:40.398
I'll debate you later.

00:47:40.618 --> 00:47:40.958
Okay.

00:47:41.118 --> 00:47:44.758
Tess walks in, she has a black eye, and Joel is like, what the fuck happened?

00:47:44.778 --> 00:47:45.598
I was napping.

00:47:46.358 --> 00:47:46.998
Are you good?

00:47:47.018 --> 00:47:50.258
And she says she was jumped, but that's irrelevant, is it?

00:47:50.598 --> 00:47:54.798
The guys who jumped her were sent by Robert, which immediately angers Joel.

00:47:54.878 --> 00:47:55.758
Fucking Robert.

00:47:56.098 --> 00:48:02.878
Robert screwed them out of a deal recently, so Joel's like extra mad, and he's like, well, they fucked us on a deal, and now they jumped you.

00:48:03.258 --> 00:48:04.318
I'm gonna go kill someone.

00:48:04.618 --> 00:48:05.078
Oh, wow.

00:48:05.278 --> 00:48:06.338
He's ready for revenge.

00:48:06.618 --> 00:48:09.978
Or he's at least ready to go pick up the guns that were being run for them.

00:48:10.818 --> 00:48:20.318
Joel and Tess are smugglers in Boston who move underground and move a lot of weight of stuff, you know, pills, guns, anything you could want from the outside world.

00:48:20.578 --> 00:48:22.978
This world is run by Phedra.

00:48:23.998 --> 00:48:31.238
It's kind of this like FEMA-type kind of SWAT team, armed guard situation that are all over Boston.

00:48:31.338 --> 00:48:34.218
Yeah, it kind of sounds like government run with the name like Phedra.

00:48:34.238 --> 00:48:36.278
Yeah, Fed is in the title.

00:48:36.298 --> 00:48:36.578
Yeah.

00:48:36.718 --> 00:48:38.758
And, you know, agents are with guns everywhere.

00:48:38.778 --> 00:48:41.798
There's ration lines, lots of gates, lots of surveillance.

00:48:42.438 --> 00:48:50.738
They come out of Joel's apartment into this world where they're seeing all these guns and all this stuff, and they can walk by an NPC who is also voiced by Laura Bailey.

00:48:50.758 --> 00:48:51.518
Oh, really?

00:48:51.558 --> 00:48:57.518
Yeah, it's just so fun seeing like, oh, you're like the protagonist of the next title doing kind of a nothing thing in here.

00:48:57.858 --> 00:49:03.618
So like when you're looking at an actor's IMDb or something, you see they were a video game as additional voices.

00:49:03.638 --> 00:49:04.898
That's literally what this is.

00:49:04.918 --> 00:49:06.898
Yeah, just NPCs filling out the world.

00:49:06.918 --> 00:49:13.098
I think Laura Bailey is a character who's like, oh, I got to get in line to get my rations for the day or some shit like that, you know?

00:49:13.118 --> 00:49:13.798
Oh, that's funny.

00:49:14.858 --> 00:49:20.138
Also, a fun person that does additional voices for this game is Yuri Lowenthal.

00:49:20.678 --> 00:49:22.178
Oh, Yuri, he does Spider-Man.

00:49:22.198 --> 00:49:23.778
He is Spider-Man, bitch.

00:49:24.198 --> 00:49:25.778
Oh, I love Yuri Lowenthal.

00:49:25.798 --> 00:49:32.358
I'm so glad he got a credit on the most recent Spider-Verse movie because I really love his performance as Spider-Man.

00:49:32.378 --> 00:49:33.958
Yeah, he's a great, great Spider-Man.

00:49:34.758 --> 00:49:38.498
So Spider-Man and Abby are in this because that's how my brain works.

00:49:40.198 --> 00:49:47.298
Now, there's also a curfew that Fedra enforces and there's signs all over reminding people to stay in line and get in your fucking house.

00:49:48.218 --> 00:49:55.198
Among all those signs, too, are wanted posters for a group of rebels that are operating in the city trying to take down Fedra.

00:49:55.998 --> 00:49:58.578
These rebels are called the Fireflies.

00:49:58.938 --> 00:50:06.618
And among the Fireflies on the wanted poster are Reuben, Maxwell, Eduardo, and someone named Marlene.

00:50:07.318 --> 00:50:08.378
Ooh, Marlene.

00:50:08.438 --> 00:50:16.938
Now, this is one of the most incredible parts of Naughty Dog and especially Neil Druckmann as a director in that the visual storytelling of all of this.

00:50:17.518 --> 00:50:27.758
Yes, Neil loves dropping Easter eggs that kind of fill out the world and make you really buy into the reality of what's happening and the importance of the characters you meet along the way.

00:50:28.018 --> 00:50:31.918
And, you know, take the Bioshock because that is something that comes from Bioshock.

00:50:31.938 --> 00:50:38.878
That was something that they were very deliberate about was making sure that you can tell the story through your environment as much as you can through the dialogue.

00:50:39.338 --> 00:50:40.478
I'll drink to that, hell yeah.

00:50:40.818 --> 00:50:45.458
Joel and Tess attempt to go through some military checkpoints with fake passports to pick something up.

00:50:45.998 --> 00:50:49.858
But as they try to go through, a firefly bombing occurs and they have to run.

00:50:50.518 --> 00:50:52.158
Okay, so like domestic terrorists.

00:50:52.298 --> 00:50:52.618
Yeah.

00:50:53.458 --> 00:50:57.238
Sirens start ringing out through the city saying civilians need to clear the area.

00:50:57.298 --> 00:51:02.838
So with that fucking drama, Tess tells Joel they need to sneak through the city the long way.

00:51:03.578 --> 00:51:04.318
Oh, damn it.

00:51:04.498 --> 00:51:10.998
Tess navigates through a building asking about Robert, and there's a rumor going around that Marlene is also looking for Robert.

00:51:11.418 --> 00:51:14.598
Hmm, that's Marlene, which was also one of the Fireflies.

00:51:14.718 --> 00:51:17.438
Hmm, Joel doesn't like the sound of that.

00:51:18.198 --> 00:51:22.338
They go through some broken down buildings and look for a safe path to the other side of town.

00:51:22.798 --> 00:51:28.198
Tess brings Joel through a smuggler's cove area that has various little pop-ups with contraband.

00:51:28.218 --> 00:51:30.258
It's kind of like an underground farmer's market.

00:51:30.278 --> 00:51:33.278
I was gonna say, is it a literal like underground market?

00:51:33.678 --> 00:51:35.198
Yeah, and I love a farmer's market.

00:51:35.238 --> 00:51:35.558
Yeah.

00:51:35.678 --> 00:51:37.918
This one is selling pit bulls, guns.

00:51:38.278 --> 00:51:42.938
You can bet on a street fight, just random shit, just illegal farmer's market.

00:51:43.258 --> 00:51:44.138
Oh, that's awesome.

00:51:44.378 --> 00:51:45.658
We don't have time for that today.

00:51:46.398 --> 00:51:51.638
Tess pays off a kid who will give her Robert's location and find out that he's out by the wharf.

00:51:52.058 --> 00:51:55.198
That's his turf, so it's gonna be really well guarded by Robert's men.

00:51:55.538 --> 00:51:59.058
Some of his men are there, and they see and confront Joel and Tess.

00:51:59.578 --> 00:52:05.658
Tess immediately goes, fuck this, shoots one, and now you're in a shootout and have to kill your way to Robert.

00:52:05.758 --> 00:52:07.898
Thanks, Tess.

00:52:08.238 --> 00:52:11.038
Tess did just get jumped, so she's like, I'm exhausted.

00:52:11.418 --> 00:52:12.838
I'm tired of punching.

00:52:13.078 --> 00:52:14.058
I'm just gonna pull my gun.

00:52:14.098 --> 00:52:15.638
I got kicked in the ribs today.

00:52:15.658 --> 00:52:17.018
Like, do you know how hard that is?

00:52:17.038 --> 00:52:18.198
I'm shooting someone.

00:52:19.078 --> 00:52:24.018
Tess and Joel shoot their way up to Robert, who immediately is a punk bitch and runs away screaming.

00:52:24.718 --> 00:52:33.178
He takes off down an alley through this wharf, and Joel and Tess finally corner him at a dead end, where Robert turns around and goes, no hard feelings, right?

00:52:34.318 --> 00:52:35.298
All the hard feelings.

00:52:35.458 --> 00:52:36.578
I fucking hate this guy.

00:52:36.618 --> 00:52:36.918
Dick.

00:52:37.298 --> 00:52:43.058
Tess says, oh, none at all and goes full Tanya Harding and hits Robert right in the shin with a pipe.

00:52:43.258 --> 00:52:43.658
Good.

00:52:44.058 --> 00:52:49.918
Robert crumbles to the ground and explains that the guns he was moving for Tess and Joel are gone and he fucked up.

00:52:50.898 --> 00:52:54.338
He says he needs some time and the situation was complicated.

00:52:55.218 --> 00:53:00.818
Turns out the guns that Robert was moving got sold to the Firefly Queen Supreme herself, Marlene.

00:53:00.898 --> 00:53:02.998
God damn it, Marlene, you took our guns.

00:53:03.638 --> 00:53:04.958
Robert's like, hey, you know what?

00:53:05.418 --> 00:53:09.818
Better idea, let's roll up on the Fireflies and steal the guns back and just kill them.

00:53:10.358 --> 00:53:13.478
Go after the head of a terrorist organization.

00:53:13.498 --> 00:53:14.238
That's your plan?

00:53:14.578 --> 00:53:15.558
That's your plan, Robert?

00:53:15.958 --> 00:53:19.358
Tess says, that's a stupid idea and then shoots Robert in the face.

00:53:21.038 --> 00:53:23.798
I love that the punishment for a stupid idea is death.

00:53:24.958 --> 00:53:26.858
It's a different world here.

00:53:27.878 --> 00:53:29.658
Joel says, well, now what?

00:53:30.038 --> 00:53:31.038
Which is reasonable.

00:53:31.738 --> 00:53:34.658
And Tess decides to go find the Fireflies to get their guns back.

00:53:34.918 --> 00:53:38.818
So you really get the sense here that Joel is not a leader in this situation.

00:53:39.078 --> 00:53:46.478
He is definitely a second fiddle to Tess who's like calling the shots, shooting people in the face, like continuously.

00:53:46.998 --> 00:53:47.998
She's a dick swinger.

00:53:48.178 --> 00:53:49.118
Joel's also there.

00:53:49.218 --> 00:53:54.178
I feel like we see this relationship dynamic later, both in this game and later in the series.

00:53:55.278 --> 00:53:56.118
Also with the Miller.

00:53:57.938 --> 00:53:59.698
The Miller boys love a strong woman.

00:53:59.718 --> 00:54:00.378
They really do.

00:54:01.158 --> 00:54:03.398
And a smart woman, because they're not.

00:54:04.458 --> 00:54:07.898
And now speak of the devil of the queen supreme, Marlene.

00:54:07.998 --> 00:54:09.478
This is where Marlene shows up.

00:54:09.598 --> 00:54:16.878
Marlene is played by Merle Dandridge, who was so good at Marlene the first time, she got to keep her role going into the HBO series.

00:54:17.278 --> 00:54:22.778
And honestly, I would say 99% the reason we've decided to remake this episode.

00:54:22.938 --> 00:54:26.058
Because we love her so much and we need to give her her flowers.

00:54:26.338 --> 00:54:33.978
Merle Dandridge is no stranger to games, as she was actually brought in and cast due to her work on Half-Life 2 as Alex.

00:54:34.258 --> 00:54:34.978
That's pretty great.

00:54:35.058 --> 00:54:38.118
Neil straight up was like, get me Alex from Half-Life 2.

00:54:38.198 --> 00:54:40.818
And they're like, yeah, Merle, done.

00:54:40.998 --> 00:54:43.958
And she is so agelessly beautiful.

00:54:44.398 --> 00:54:52.138
She looks exactly the same in the 2013 ad shit as she does in the 2023 ad shit for The Last of Us both times.

00:54:52.278 --> 00:54:59.098
She is so damn good on the TV show that you can feel the elevated performance that she gives over everybody else when she's on screen.

00:54:59.538 --> 00:55:02.698
That's exactly what we said when we saw her first episode when we meet Ellie.

00:55:02.718 --> 00:55:04.878
We're like, she is on another level.

00:55:04.918 --> 00:55:06.838
Like, that is a master class.

00:55:06.858 --> 00:55:10.838
And you can kind of see the no names around her being like, damn.

00:55:11.038 --> 00:55:13.698
I am learning something from somebody I've never heard of.

00:55:13.718 --> 00:55:14.238
Yeah.

00:55:14.578 --> 00:55:17.038
No, she is absolutely fucking brilliant.

00:55:17.298 --> 00:55:24.418
Marlene is currently bleeding from something very recent and asks for Robert, who Tess points to as he lays there dead on the ground.

00:55:24.538 --> 00:55:26.158
Tess says she wants her gun back.

00:55:26.578 --> 00:55:29.978
Marlene says she paid for them, but you know what, I'll make you a deal.

00:55:30.398 --> 00:55:35.058
If Tess and Joel smuggle something out of the city, she'll give the guns back and then some.

00:55:35.238 --> 00:55:42.458
The proposition is laid out, but then soldiers come up seemingly attracted by, you know, the gunfire and the commotion of all the murders.

00:55:42.638 --> 00:55:43.338
Yeah, that's fair.

00:55:43.398 --> 00:55:44.718
So now they all have to run.

00:55:44.958 --> 00:55:51.058
Joel, Tess and Marlene navigate back to a safe spot to show Tess and Joel what they'll be smuggling out of the city.

00:55:51.258 --> 00:55:56.418
Marlene promises she's gonna get their guns back and even double it if you just do this one favor for me.

00:55:56.658 --> 00:56:02.618
And all Joel and Tess have to do is just smuggle this bit of cargo out of the city and hand it off to another Firefly group.

00:56:02.658 --> 00:56:04.898
So literally just outside of those city walls.

00:56:05.678 --> 00:56:06.658
Get it away from Fedra.

00:56:06.898 --> 00:56:07.298
That's it.

00:56:07.398 --> 00:56:08.558
And then they're more than square.

00:56:08.778 --> 00:56:14.418
Tess does not believe her and refuses to agree until she sees the guns for herself, which is also very reasonable.

00:56:14.438 --> 00:56:16.698
Like, prove you didn't fuck these up or something.

00:56:16.758 --> 00:56:17.078
Right.

00:56:17.298 --> 00:56:23.058
I don't wanna get guns that are like painted like Firefly on the side, bitch, that's not what I paid for.

00:56:23.278 --> 00:56:32.658
Marlene knew Joel's brother Tommy, who had once been a Firefly, but she says all this in the past tense, because Tommy has since left the Fireflies and hit the road.

00:56:32.838 --> 00:56:36.258
But during his time as a Firefly, he and Marlene were close.

00:56:36.458 --> 00:56:43.018
So Marlene's like, hey, I kind of trust Joel by proxy, because Tommy was my boy, so come on.

00:56:43.178 --> 00:56:45.018
So it paid to be a Miller in this case.

00:56:45.238 --> 00:56:46.838
In this one instance.

00:56:47.858 --> 00:56:53.178
Do not hang on to that sentiment, especially if you listen to our episode on The Last of Us Part 2.

00:56:53.598 --> 00:57:01.698
The three come up on a safe room, and Marlene, who again is bleeding out, begins to collapse as she opens the door, probably because she's losing a lot of blood.

00:57:02.738 --> 00:57:05.178
She topples through the doorway with Joel right behind her.

00:57:05.638 --> 00:57:10.298
And as she does, a small voice rings out saying, get the fuck away from her.

00:57:10.738 --> 00:57:18.398
Here, we see a small white girl with reddish brown hair lunge at Joel with a knife in her hand, ready to stab him in the arteries.

00:57:19.078 --> 00:57:26.938
Here, we are introduced to Ellie, played by the incomparable BAFTA award-winning performer, Ashley Johnson, ladies and gentlemen.

00:57:26.998 --> 00:57:27.558
Bravo.

00:57:28.158 --> 00:57:29.598
Great introduction to a character.

00:57:30.098 --> 00:57:33.378
Ready to stab the protagonist saying, get the fuck away from her.

00:57:33.458 --> 00:57:34.038
Oh, yeah.

00:57:34.458 --> 00:57:36.198
Oh, and it's a perfect Ellie moment.

00:57:37.178 --> 00:57:39.518
Marlene's like, hey, calm down, child.

00:57:39.978 --> 00:57:40.658
I'm fine.

00:57:41.038 --> 00:57:45.778
And then she turns and tells Joel and Tess that Ellie is the cargo she needs moved out of the city.

00:57:46.398 --> 00:57:50.358
Ellie's like, hey, Marlene, if you're not going, I'm not going either.

00:57:50.658 --> 00:57:52.078
Again, Marlene is bleeding out.

00:57:52.178 --> 00:57:53.918
She is having trouble standing.

00:57:55.118 --> 00:57:57.498
Marlene insists that Ellie has to move forward.

00:57:57.878 --> 00:58:00.138
She says, Ellie, we won't get another shot at this.

00:58:00.318 --> 00:58:07.638
Marlene tells Joel and Tess they just need to get Ellie to the Capitol building across town to hand off to the Fireflies for the guns, and that's it.

00:58:08.198 --> 00:58:10.218
And that's the Capitol building from The Departed.

00:58:10.418 --> 00:58:11.898
The big gold building with the rat.

00:58:11.918 --> 00:58:15.378
Yeah, I love The Departed, an unreasonable amount.

00:58:15.678 --> 00:58:16.518
How can you not?

00:58:16.538 --> 00:58:17.418
It's a perfect movie.

00:58:17.498 --> 00:58:20.338
It's not, but it's a very, very, very good movie.

00:58:20.618 --> 00:58:22.098
There are some editing issues.

00:58:22.238 --> 00:58:23.078
Ah, yeah, minor.

00:58:23.758 --> 00:58:28.978
Tess is like, I got you, I'll do it, but I ain't smuggling shit until I see those guns for myself.

00:58:29.598 --> 00:58:32.598
Marlene's like, Valid, let's go.

00:58:32.958 --> 00:58:36.798
Joel, I want you to watch Ellie, and Joel and Ellie immediately are like, no.

00:58:38.658 --> 00:58:40.758
Marlene is like, hey, shut up, I'm bleeding.

00:58:41.278 --> 00:58:42.938
Tess and I are gonna go to the Firefly camp.

00:58:43.078 --> 00:58:46.258
I'm gonna get patched up, get this fucking blood out of my stomach.

00:58:46.278 --> 00:58:48.418
She's bleeding from the stomach, by the way.

00:58:48.718 --> 00:58:49.738
And verify payment.

00:58:50.358 --> 00:58:55.678
Joel, take Ellie to a safe spot while you do that shit, and make sure the guns are cool.

00:58:55.758 --> 00:59:00.638
Tess and I are gonna figure it out, and then you guys can move her tonight, and the guns are all yours, clean as day.

00:59:00.898 --> 00:59:05.278
Okay, that sounds like a pretty easy mission, a little human trafficking, but other than that.

00:59:05.298 --> 00:59:06.538
But it's like consensual.

00:59:08.498 --> 00:59:11.338
Big grudgingly, Joel starts leading Ellie through the city.

00:59:11.898 --> 00:59:18.178
Curfew has already dropped, so there's no one on the roads right now, but there are soldier trucks going by, monitoring for truancy.

00:59:19.058 --> 00:59:22.358
They get to an apartment building nearby, and Joel flops down on this couch.

00:59:23.118 --> 00:59:25.038
Ellie's like, so what are you doing?

00:59:25.398 --> 00:59:27.018
Joel says, killing time.

00:59:28.098 --> 00:59:29.398
She says what she's supposed to do.

00:59:29.518 --> 00:59:31.598
He says, you sure she'll figure it out?

00:59:32.038 --> 00:59:37.198
Joel starts to drift off into sleep, and Ellie says, your watch is broken, and she walks away.

00:59:37.438 --> 00:59:41.958
We see that Joel is still wearing the watch that his daughter gave him the night she died.

00:59:42.438 --> 00:59:44.398
Oh, and it probably broke that night too, huh?

00:59:44.538 --> 00:59:51.818
Yeah, I think they try to imply that it broke during when Joel gets shot at by the soldier as Sarah dies.

00:59:51.898 --> 00:59:52.278
Yeah.

00:59:52.298 --> 00:59:56.618
Like, I think that is where they try to imply that's where the watch broke, which is also so fucked up.

00:59:56.658 --> 00:59:58.998
Like marking the time that his life ended.

00:59:59.438 --> 01:00:01.678
Oh, and he just wears that every day.

01:00:01.758 --> 01:00:02.778
That's awful.

01:00:03.018 --> 01:00:03.398
It is.

01:00:03.958 --> 01:00:06.998
That evening, Joel wakes up in the middle of a rainy night.

01:00:07.458 --> 01:00:10.818
Ellie is staring at the window, and she says that he mumbles in his sleep.

01:00:11.618 --> 01:00:14.218
Tess comes back alone, saying the guns are all there.

01:00:14.398 --> 01:00:15.078
Let's do this.

01:00:15.158 --> 01:00:16.338
Let's fucking get our guns back.

01:00:17.318 --> 01:00:27.438
Under the cloak of night, Joel, Tess and Ellie start to navigate out of the apartment and through broken down buildings to smuggle Ellie outside of the heavily guarded city limits of Boston.

01:00:27.678 --> 01:00:30.178
And here we have our first generator, folks.

01:00:30.558 --> 01:00:33.278
Oh, there's always a goddamn generator.

01:00:33.378 --> 01:00:39.258
Now, I started to do this as a running thing while I was working on this episode, but it just got so tedious.

01:00:39.278 --> 01:00:41.518
There are seven generators in this game.

01:00:41.538 --> 01:00:43.158
Seven generators.

01:00:43.498 --> 01:00:46.098
Oh my God, if it's not fishing, it's a fucking generator.

01:00:46.198 --> 01:00:48.078
And you're absolutely right.

01:00:48.098 --> 01:00:52.338
Every game has generators or fishing, and often both.

01:00:52.478 --> 01:00:58.298
So the generators, perhaps it's just between us, but I fucking hate generators in video games.

01:00:58.338 --> 01:00:59.218
I don't get it.

01:00:59.478 --> 01:01:02.958
They're not as abundant as I think video game creators think they are.

01:01:03.878 --> 01:01:07.938
I get why they're very valuable in this world, but what the fuck, man?

01:01:08.238 --> 01:01:10.878
I mean, they're in the Spider-Man games, they're in this game.

01:01:10.898 --> 01:01:13.878
Maybe it's a Sony mandate that there's just always a fucking generator.

01:01:13.898 --> 01:01:16.478
Sony has a lot of money invested in generator power.

01:01:16.658 --> 01:01:20.578
Ghost of Tsushima had a water wheel that's basically a damn generator.

01:01:20.598 --> 01:01:22.838
Just, god damn it.

01:01:23.078 --> 01:01:24.498
It's a renewable generator.

01:01:25.178 --> 01:01:25.858
Fuck my life.

01:01:25.978 --> 01:01:30.598
As they travel through, Tess does try to poke Ellie to see why Ellie is so special.

01:01:31.118 --> 01:01:33.718
She's like, are you someone special's daughter?

01:01:34.018 --> 01:01:36.138
Ellie's vague and says something like that.

01:01:36.338 --> 01:01:39.798
Outside of the apartment building, the group make it out into the streets now.

01:01:40.398 --> 01:01:45.498
The city is guarded by so many Fedra officers with like watch towers, there's soldiers everywhere.

01:01:45.598 --> 01:01:51.498
So Joel has to tiptoe through a storage unit, but he gets jumped by two soldiers, one of which is played by Laura Bailey.

01:01:52.018 --> 01:01:52.418
Really?

01:01:52.898 --> 01:01:54.098
Man, she just keeps popping up.

01:01:54.118 --> 01:01:57.838
I think there's only one more that I'm gonna mention, but there's a lot in this first act.

01:01:57.998 --> 01:02:04.078
The soldiers have all three on their knees with their hands over their head and immediately start scanning the backs of their necks for infection.

01:02:04.898 --> 01:02:08.898
They scan Tess, Tess says, if you look the other way, I'll make this worth your while.

01:02:09.378 --> 01:02:10.298
They tell her to shut up.

01:02:11.118 --> 01:02:15.598
They get to Joel, he is quiet, he is calculated, he is waiting for an opportunity.

01:02:15.818 --> 01:02:16.638
They get to Ellie.

01:02:17.038 --> 01:02:19.518
Ellie panics and stabs the soldier in the knee.

01:02:19.798 --> 01:02:20.718
Hell yeah, Ellie.

01:02:20.738 --> 01:02:25.038
Like clockwork as she does this, Joel and Tess jump into action and kill both soldiers.

01:02:25.338 --> 01:02:26.558
Oh, it's like the Marx family.

01:02:26.578 --> 01:02:28.078
They were just waiting for their opportunity.

01:02:28.138 --> 01:02:29.378
Yeah, entirely.

01:02:30.178 --> 01:02:33.578
Tess picks up the scanner and sees that Ellie showed up as infected.

01:02:34.038 --> 01:02:34.958
Oh, shit.

01:02:34.978 --> 01:02:37.158
Tess and Joel are immediately angry.

01:02:37.178 --> 01:02:39.038
They're like, Marlene fucking set us up.

01:02:39.098 --> 01:02:39.978
Ellie's infected.

01:02:40.258 --> 01:02:41.198
What is this shit?

01:02:41.198 --> 01:02:42.178
She's trying to get us killed.

01:02:42.378 --> 01:02:43.878
Gave us a ticking time bomb.

01:02:44.098 --> 01:02:46.938
Ellie protests, showing them the bite mark on her arm.

01:02:47.398 --> 01:02:49.778
She says, this is three weeks old.

01:02:50.138 --> 01:02:55.218
Joel says he's not buying it because in this world, you start turning within 24 hours.

01:02:55.278 --> 01:02:56.438
Yeah, it's a fast turn.

01:02:56.598 --> 01:03:01.818
They don't have time to fight right now though, because more soldiers are on the way to investigate after hearing the gunshots and screams.

01:03:02.638 --> 01:03:08.498
Joel leads Tess and Ellie through, again, this heavily guarded soldier terrain, which is now on high alert because of them.

01:03:08.718 --> 01:03:09.058
Right.

01:03:09.338 --> 01:03:14.978
Evading spotlights, guns, walking soldiers, and so many, like it's wild to get through.

01:03:15.038 --> 01:03:21.158
And here's the thing, Joel says he's not buying it, but if he truly didn't buy it, he would have shot her right then and there.

01:03:21.298 --> 01:03:23.398
Oh, right, but he's like, fuck it, let's go.

01:03:23.498 --> 01:03:27.278
At least a part of him saw that bite and was like, that did look old as shit.

01:03:27.338 --> 01:03:27.818
Yeah.

01:03:28.758 --> 01:03:36.338
Through the night, they get into the city of Boston and navigate through a colonial museum in an attempt to get to the Capitol building to drop off Ellie.

01:03:36.538 --> 01:03:39.938
Like, if she's infected, let's just fucking drop her off before she turns.

01:03:40.338 --> 01:03:41.298
Deal with this later.

01:03:41.378 --> 01:03:45.858
Yeah, if they accomplish their mission, which is only to go across town, then they get what they want.

01:03:45.898 --> 01:03:49.638
And you know what, maybe they can avoid this little girl turning on them and somebody else can deal with her.

01:03:49.658 --> 01:03:52.478
And you know what, maybe if she turns, we shoot her and deliver the body.

01:03:52.498 --> 01:03:53.598
Like, we'll figure it out.

01:03:53.658 --> 01:03:55.778
Right, they didn't say we had to deliver her alive.

01:03:55.798 --> 01:03:58.558
Yeah, Marlene was vague on that, and that's her fault.

01:03:59.738 --> 01:04:06.478
Through the museum, they're jumped by clickers, and we see some infected, and we get into a serious scrap with them, but we make it out and onward.

01:04:06.778 --> 01:04:09.358
And this scene is so well done in the series too.

01:04:09.598 --> 01:04:10.758
And you say clickers.

01:04:10.798 --> 01:04:13.058
Now, what is that in the sense of these zombies?

01:04:13.098 --> 01:04:14.498
Oh, that's a great, thank you.

01:04:14.538 --> 01:04:18.218
So there are a few different kinds of infected that we're gonna run into in this world.

01:04:18.218 --> 01:04:21.798
To classify really quick, a runner is someone who's recently been infected.

01:04:21.818 --> 01:04:25.598
They're the ones that are kind of that 24 hour period, that's where you start to become a runner.

01:04:25.758 --> 01:04:27.278
So it's basically still a human being.

01:04:27.418 --> 01:04:28.918
Yeah, they're definitely still a human.

01:04:28.938 --> 01:04:30.318
They're usually fully clothed.

01:04:30.978 --> 01:04:34.498
Within this world, Joel is able to sneak up on these and choke them out to kill him.

01:04:34.678 --> 01:04:40.058
And in the TV show, I think they did a good job of explaining where they're at in terms of their transition here.

01:04:40.418 --> 01:04:47.278
And it's the fungus is flooding their brain with kind of a hallucinogen that is causing them to act out crazy.

01:04:47.298 --> 01:04:48.418
And like violently.

01:04:48.478 --> 01:04:48.918
Yeah.

01:04:49.598 --> 01:04:51.918
The next stage is a clicker.

01:04:51.958 --> 01:04:56.558
Now there is a stage in between called a stalker that is more explored in two.

01:04:56.958 --> 01:05:00.978
I did see them in the PS5 version, but they're very clear about them in two.

01:05:01.578 --> 01:05:07.638
Yeah, it's kind of the infected in the first year of its transition from being that runner to a clicker.

01:05:07.678 --> 01:05:10.398
Right, they're still very fast, but they're not a full clicker.

01:05:10.518 --> 01:05:16.518
Now a clicker is the more common kind of baddie in this world and in two as well.

01:05:16.738 --> 01:05:24.478
A clicker has been been infected for at least a year and the infection has taken over the brain and begins to spread the fungus from the nervous system through the body.

01:05:24.918 --> 01:05:31.398
Because of this, there's a fungus that takes over the head and face and it starts to bloom, I think is the best way to phrase this.

01:05:31.518 --> 01:05:33.338
Bloom in a disgusting manner.

01:05:33.358 --> 01:05:33.738
Yeah.

01:05:34.078 --> 01:05:37.178
Clickers are like orange toned, kind of full of fungus.

01:05:37.438 --> 01:05:45.778
Their clothes are literally starting to fall off their body and they are completely blind as the infection begins in the brain and kind of starts to bloom outwards.

01:05:45.798 --> 01:05:55.338
So it does take over their vision and they can't see, but they kind of have a rudimentary echolocation system where they scream and can kind of chase things from there.

01:05:55.538 --> 01:05:57.998
Yeah, and like people today can do this.

01:05:58.018 --> 01:06:00.798
Like real blind people have learned how to do this as well.

01:06:01.058 --> 01:06:02.098
That's so fucking cool.

01:06:02.118 --> 01:06:06.218
They kind of do like a little tongue click sound and it shoots out a vibration.

01:06:06.238 --> 01:06:07.578
They can feel it come back at them.

01:06:07.798 --> 01:06:09.718
I can barely do anything.

01:06:11.438 --> 01:06:16.038
That is so incredible that people can teach themselves how to read situations like that.

01:06:16.058 --> 01:06:16.738
That's beautiful.

01:06:16.758 --> 01:06:20.258
But yeah, bats and dolphins, they kind of operate the same way.

01:06:20.798 --> 01:06:21.218
Right.

01:06:21.818 --> 01:06:29.238
Now these, because they're so much more advanced in their world of infection, they can't be choked out or grappled.

01:06:29.258 --> 01:06:32.618
You have to like shiv at them or shoot them or set them on fire.

01:06:32.638 --> 01:06:33.978
I prefer fire.

01:06:34.018 --> 01:06:40.958
Which also, let's talk about shiv-ing for just a moment because like we've already established Ellie has a damn pocket knife.

01:06:41.138 --> 01:06:43.498
Yeah, she has a little switch blade that she has on her.

01:06:43.498 --> 01:06:49.418
But Texas asked Joel, how the hell does he not carry a knife on him?

01:06:49.538 --> 01:06:51.578
Girl, I have no fucking idea.

01:06:51.578 --> 01:06:54.738
I think I cried about this in the Last of Us 2 episode as well.

01:06:54.798 --> 01:06:55.998
It still makes me angry.

01:06:56.018 --> 01:06:57.038
I carry a knife.

01:06:57.178 --> 01:06:58.698
I have a knife on me everywhere.

01:06:58.718 --> 01:06:59.758
It's always in my purse.

01:06:59.778 --> 01:07:00.918
You got it from me for Christmas.

01:07:00.938 --> 01:07:01.898
It's my favorite knife.

01:07:02.118 --> 01:07:03.238
I have a knife everywhere I go.

01:07:03.358 --> 01:07:05.478
A lot of people I know have a knife everywhere they go.

01:07:06.018 --> 01:07:08.718
I think I've gotten all of my girlfriend's knives for Christmas one year.

01:07:08.938 --> 01:07:16.058
But Joel has to fucking craft his out of broken scissors and empty bottles and shit.

01:07:16.078 --> 01:07:18.998
Yeah, it's insane to me that he doesn't own a knife.

01:07:18.998 --> 01:07:20.878
And he's been in this world for 20 years.

01:07:21.158 --> 01:07:22.018
He should have a knife.

01:07:22.038 --> 01:07:23.298
He should have a fucking knife.

01:07:24.578 --> 01:07:31.538
Just roll up onto like what is a dick sporting goods or a Bass Pro Shop, break in, grab a pocket knife, walk away.

01:07:31.638 --> 01:07:32.378
That's all you need.

01:07:32.398 --> 01:07:33.138
What the fuck?

01:07:33.258 --> 01:07:36.938
One of the few mechanics that makes zero sense about Joel and his world.

01:07:37.618 --> 01:07:38.938
Also Joel's a little dumb.

01:07:39.198 --> 01:07:46.258
This is my only note is that Joel should have had a pocket knife on him from day one and been like sharpening it with rocks and shit when they're in the woods.

01:07:46.278 --> 01:07:46.678
Yeah.

01:07:46.838 --> 01:07:48.938
That makes sense to me, canonically, but.

01:07:49.298 --> 01:07:52.238
And at the very least, have him start with one and then take it away.

01:07:52.378 --> 01:07:53.158
Yeah.

01:07:53.298 --> 01:07:53.898
Come on.

01:07:55.138 --> 01:07:57.238
So that's kind of everyone up to a clicker.

01:07:57.298 --> 01:08:00.418
As we, there's a couple more stages as we encounter them.

01:08:00.858 --> 01:08:02.658
There's one more stage that we will see in this game.

01:08:02.678 --> 01:08:08.958
They added two more in stages of infection in Last of Us Part 2, but we'll get to the big boy as we get there.

01:08:08.978 --> 01:08:10.158
I don't wanna jump the gun.

01:08:10.258 --> 01:08:10.578
Right.

01:08:10.798 --> 01:08:16.098
There was one day on set where Ashley and Troy had to be clickers just for kind of funsies and to get into it.

01:08:16.118 --> 01:08:16.758
That's fun.

01:08:17.038 --> 01:08:24.238
But for the most part, the clickers were these really athletic mocap performers who could do theatrical creepy infected movements.

01:08:24.478 --> 01:08:25.278
That's really cool.

01:08:25.298 --> 01:08:27.438
Like that's one of the things that we get in the TV shows.

01:08:27.458 --> 01:08:29.418
We get a child clicker at one point.

01:08:29.438 --> 01:08:30.878
It's so fucking cool.

01:08:30.998 --> 01:08:34.158
And they said that they saw like a dozen and a half auditioned videos.

01:08:34.178 --> 01:08:37.038
And the one that they chose was the one that moved the creepiest.

01:08:37.058 --> 01:08:40.698
They were like, the way this girl moves is just so terrifying.

01:08:40.718 --> 01:08:41.598
We had to cast her.

01:08:41.678 --> 01:08:44.038
That's probably not gonna fuck her up later in life.

01:08:44.058 --> 01:08:44.318
Right.

01:08:44.858 --> 01:08:46.778
She's like out of dance and they're like, you dance weird.

01:08:46.798 --> 01:08:47.778
And she's like, not again.

01:08:47.958 --> 01:08:55.258
And yeah, if you've seen the little kid in The Last of Us TV show, Clicker, it is absolutely terrifying and one of the greatest moments on the show.

01:08:55.278 --> 01:08:57.358
That's just a fucking excellent performance.

01:08:58.178 --> 01:09:02.338
They also did have a female Clicker voice and a male Clicker voice for what it's worth.

01:09:02.358 --> 01:09:07.378
So they tried to do some distinctions between, it's not all the same Wilhelm scream for the zombie.

01:09:07.438 --> 01:09:08.238
Okay, that's good.

01:09:08.898 --> 01:09:10.778
In layman's terms, again, I know it's not a zombie.

01:09:11.078 --> 01:09:14.078
In the early morning, all three of them make it to the Capitol building.

01:09:14.958 --> 01:09:21.418
Joel opens the door and he sees that the fireflies that they're looking for are there, but they are all dead.

01:09:21.898 --> 01:09:22.638
Aw, shit.

01:09:22.798 --> 01:09:24.998
Blood is everywhere.

01:09:25.018 --> 01:09:26.818
There's bodies slumped over.

01:09:27.258 --> 01:09:28.838
Tess is furious.

01:09:28.858 --> 01:09:30.378
She screams, no.

01:09:30.678 --> 01:09:35.218
She insists that Joel has to keep pushing and says she's sad that her luck run out.

01:09:35.978 --> 01:09:38.698
Ellie hears this and realizes it before Joel does.

01:09:39.438 --> 01:09:41.878
Ellie says, oh shit, she's infected.

01:09:42.718 --> 01:09:43.838
She knows that feeling.

01:09:44.118 --> 01:09:45.378
You know, she's lived it.

01:09:45.558 --> 01:09:53.378
And then she's, you know, I don't want to give away too much, but she's lived it and she knows exactly what happens when somebody gets infected and what goes through their mind.

01:09:53.578 --> 01:09:59.438
Joel demands to see the bite and Tess angrily shows him the bite on her shoulder from the scrap in the museum.

01:09:59.798 --> 01:10:04.398
She tells Joel he needs to get Ellie to Tommy that, you know, Tommy used to run with the Fireflies.

01:10:04.418 --> 01:10:05.078
He can help.

01:10:05.098 --> 01:10:09.938
He can get Ellie to wherever they need to go to figure out how she's immune.

01:10:10.238 --> 01:10:11.578
She says that, look at Ellie's bite.

01:10:11.598 --> 01:10:12.538
That is weeks old.

01:10:12.758 --> 01:10:15.198
And hers is from an hour ago and already looks worse.

01:10:15.578 --> 01:10:21.418
Tess is pleading with literally the last moments of her life with Joel to take Ellie to Tommy's.

01:10:22.098 --> 01:10:25.438
And as she does, a car pulls up with tons of Fedra soldiers.

01:10:26.518 --> 01:10:31.238
The soldiers start to roll in and you can hear them screaming, getting ready to ram the door.

01:10:31.718 --> 01:10:33.638
And Tess pushes Joel to take Ellie.

01:10:33.818 --> 01:10:37.538
Joel leaves with Ellie as Tess gets ready to fight the soldiers to the death.

01:10:37.658 --> 01:10:41.678
In her own words, this is her last stop and Joel has to keep going.

01:10:42.078 --> 01:10:42.538
Damn.

01:10:42.758 --> 01:10:46.238
So real quick, since we are The Other Castle, we do the plot, lore and more.

01:10:46.398 --> 01:10:48.658
Here's a little bit of lore that actually goes into Tess.

01:10:48.838 --> 01:10:49.218
Yeah.

01:10:49.318 --> 01:10:53.058
So something we learned from not just the TV show, they didn't even show this in the TV show.

01:10:53.078 --> 01:10:58.738
I listened to the commentaries and the podcast about The Last of Us TV show and they talked about Tess' backstory.

01:10:59.558 --> 01:11:05.938
And one of the things that happened to her was when the plague kind of came through, her husband and child both got infected.

01:11:07.178 --> 01:11:10.858
And she killed her husband, but she couldn't kill her child.

01:11:11.358 --> 01:11:12.198
Oh, Tess.

01:11:12.298 --> 01:11:18.258
And she ended up locking her child away in a room and just refused to deal with it and walked away from that.

01:11:18.498 --> 01:11:20.998
And that's canonical lore from the game's development.

01:11:21.018 --> 01:11:22.178
I've heard that story as well.

01:11:22.178 --> 01:11:25.158
Yeah, this came directly from Neil Druckmann himself.

01:11:26.298 --> 01:11:35.878
So yeah, that's a little backstory about Tess and just like the tragic death that she ends up facing because she just, that's why she pushes Joel so hard.

01:11:35.898 --> 01:11:38.838
She's like, nobody should have to fucking live with this.

01:11:39.798 --> 01:11:41.818
Nobody should have to go through what I went through.

01:11:41.938 --> 01:11:44.518
Nobody else should have to go through what I'm going through right now.

01:11:44.958 --> 01:11:47.518
And this is our one hope of this ending.

01:11:47.778 --> 01:11:48.178
Yeah.

01:11:48.658 --> 01:11:59.918
Marlene's goal was to get Ellie to a safe place within the Firefly system because the Fireflies do have a large network of refugees and people that are fighting the government to try and find a better world.

01:11:59.918 --> 01:12:03.478
And part of that is research on stopping the virus.

01:12:03.498 --> 01:12:10.138
Ellie is the first person that we've seen in this world that is immune and has been bitten and hasn't turned.

01:12:10.538 --> 01:12:13.918
So whatever's going on in her body might be able to help other people.

01:12:13.978 --> 01:12:18.918
And Tess is like, I have lost everything to this, including my own life right now.

01:12:19.238 --> 01:12:22.998
You better fucking take this girl and get other people help right now.

01:12:23.458 --> 01:12:25.058
Joel's like, it seems far.

01:12:25.198 --> 01:12:25.838
I don't wanna.

01:12:26.338 --> 01:12:27.898
He's such a stubborn bastard.

01:12:27.938 --> 01:12:35.758
And he's also like really worried about his brother, but this is like a trip to go see his brother and he's still kind of like, but I just wanted to call.

01:12:36.298 --> 01:12:37.538
There's no phones, Joel.

01:12:37.558 --> 01:12:37.978
Yeah.

01:12:39.058 --> 01:12:39.998
What's the plan?

01:12:40.338 --> 01:12:49.338
There is an alternate universe, which did get scrapped, but there was a version where something happens and Joel and Ellie take off and Tess follows them across the country.

01:12:49.598 --> 01:12:50.038
Really?

01:12:50.058 --> 01:12:55.618
Tess doesn't die, but she is chasing them and hunting them down as they get closer towards the Firefly world.

01:12:55.638 --> 01:12:57.598
But that got scrapped, obviously.

01:12:57.838 --> 01:13:01.218
I don't, it doesn't make any sense to have Tess trying to hunt them down.

01:13:01.358 --> 01:13:02.038
Yeah, right?

01:13:02.058 --> 01:13:03.938
Like there's enough stacked against them.

01:13:03.958 --> 01:13:06.298
We don't need to add an additional antagonist.

01:13:06.318 --> 01:13:12.438
But it's funny because Tess is kind of credited as being the person who tells Joel to go on the adventure.

01:13:12.878 --> 01:13:15.178
She's the one that's pushing and starting the action.

01:13:15.198 --> 01:13:17.078
She's the one that agreed to do this in the first place.

01:13:17.578 --> 01:13:19.278
And Joel's kind of like, ah, damn it.

01:13:19.858 --> 01:13:23.178
That's right, because Joel doesn't make decisions for himself, he just kind of follows.

01:13:23.358 --> 01:13:25.638
Right, and then she immediately dies.

01:13:25.658 --> 01:13:31.058
But there's a version where she could have done this and also hunted them down across the country.

01:13:31.518 --> 01:13:32.278
That's fascinating.

01:13:32.298 --> 01:13:41.038
I wonder if it was connected to that backstory of her child and wanting to, I don't know, drain Ellie's blood to try to give to her own kid to save him kind of shit.

01:13:41.058 --> 01:13:46.438
Oh my God, go find him in the basement of some rundown house and be like, baby boy, I got you.

01:13:48.658 --> 01:13:57.978
Anyway, but back in this reality, Tess tries to hold back the soldiers as much as she can, but between the virus and the bullets, she's not long for this world.

01:13:58.958 --> 01:14:02.478
Ellie and Joel dock and dive their way through the Capitol building to escape.

01:14:03.058 --> 01:14:06.458
Soldiers descend on them and chase them into the subway station below.

01:14:06.998 --> 01:14:14.658
Now apparently, the designer of the Boston subway system attempted to sue Naughty Dog for using his designs in the game.

01:14:14.778 --> 01:14:15.818
Oh my God, really?

01:14:15.838 --> 01:14:17.378
He wanted his cut for the design?

01:14:17.578 --> 01:14:23.018
He got mad that the game was too realistic and showed the maps of the subway system, the map art?

01:14:23.638 --> 01:14:24.098
Really?

01:14:24.118 --> 01:14:25.638
Within the subway system, yeah.

01:14:25.718 --> 01:14:28.978
He tried to NFT their asses before NFTs were even a thing.

01:14:28.998 --> 01:14:31.638
He tried to get them on a, oh God, copyright?

01:14:31.698 --> 01:14:32.198
Yeah.

01:14:32.358 --> 01:14:35.318
Like they do on YouTube if you use copyrighted music?

01:14:35.338 --> 01:14:35.698
Yeah.

01:14:35.938 --> 01:14:38.578
He wanted to demonetize him.

01:14:39.838 --> 01:14:42.378
I'm gonna shut this whole thing down.

01:14:42.538 --> 01:14:46.158
Anyway, Joel and Ellie make it through and finally get out into the light of day.

01:14:46.618 --> 01:14:53.518
At this point, as they're catching their breath, Ellie tries to console Joel about Tess, but he insists that they never talk about Tess again.

01:14:54.038 --> 01:14:58.178
He also insists that she never tell anyone about her condition for obvious reasons.

01:14:58.378 --> 01:15:02.058
Yeah, obviously, because you might end up with somebody chasing you across the country.

01:15:02.638 --> 01:15:04.558
Right, but that didn't happen.

01:15:04.558 --> 01:15:04.898
I know.

01:15:06.338 --> 01:15:14.558
Joel and Ellie hit the road to go see an old friend of Joel's who can probably help them get a car so they can get across the country to find Tommy and the Fireflies.

01:15:15.178 --> 01:15:24.698
He has a vague sense of where Tommy is somewhere in Jackson, Wyoming, which is the middle of the country, where Boston is the whole ass East Coast, like deep in the East Coast.

01:15:24.738 --> 01:15:26.438
I wouldn't even put it in the middle of the country.

01:15:26.458 --> 01:15:28.398
It's in like the left third.

01:15:28.838 --> 01:15:30.338
It's right near Colorado, right?

01:15:30.358 --> 01:15:31.358
A little bit, yeah.

01:15:32.418 --> 01:15:33.458
It's in the Northwest.

01:15:33.638 --> 01:15:34.358
Holy shit.

01:15:34.638 --> 01:15:35.898
So they have a long way to go.

01:15:36.678 --> 01:15:42.498
As the sun begins to set, Joel and Ellie come up on a town through a gorgeous glade of forest.

01:15:43.238 --> 01:15:47.858
Ellie sees fireflies, the bugs, not the revolutionaries, and is amused by this.

01:15:48.878 --> 01:15:54.198
As they get a good view of the town, a smoky fire billows out deeper within the town.

01:15:55.138 --> 01:15:57.038
Joel says, is that you, Bill?

01:15:58.318 --> 01:16:03.518
And he quietly navigates some loose clickers while Ellie blows air to try to teach herself how to whistle.

01:16:03.838 --> 01:16:04.618
I mean, I get it.

01:16:04.638 --> 01:16:05.298
I can't whistle.

01:16:05.698 --> 01:16:11.258
I just, I appreciate that dynamic of Joel sneaking around and like choking people out while Ellie's like, do do do, fff, fff, fff.

01:16:13.858 --> 01:16:17.318
Also whistling has a very dark connotation later in the series.

01:16:17.338 --> 01:16:20.978
Yeah, not in this game, but whistling does come back around in two in a pretty rough way.

01:16:21.938 --> 01:16:27.618
As the two get deeper into town, they watch a clicker walk through an alley and get its head blown off.

01:16:28.238 --> 01:16:30.258
Ellie's like, whoa, what was that?

01:16:30.758 --> 01:16:34.278
And Joel begins to explain that this is Bill's town.

01:16:35.198 --> 01:16:41.258
I love Bill so much, both in the game and the TV show, and arguably they're very different characters in each.

01:16:41.658 --> 01:16:42.378
Oh, entirely.

01:16:42.398 --> 01:16:47.738
And if we got Bruce Campbell in the Raimi version, it would be fucking hysterical.

01:16:47.758 --> 01:16:51.198
Yeah, we would have never gotten the story that we got from the TV show out of the Raimi verse.

01:16:51.218 --> 01:16:55.078
We would have just gotten the straight ones, literally the straight one from the video game.

01:16:57.738 --> 01:16:59.258
Spoiler alert, Bill's gay.

01:16:59.278 --> 01:17:05.018
Yeah, Tom.

01:17:06.418 --> 01:17:07.518
Killing it, all right.

01:17:07.558 --> 01:17:14.578
Now Bill is a survivor, and he's not affiliated with any group, not Phedra, not the Fireflies, not any other survivor groups.

01:17:15.098 --> 01:17:19.638
He has jerry-rigged this entire town that he lives in to protect himself.

01:17:19.678 --> 01:17:22.938
There are hand-painted signs saying, you will be shot.

01:17:23.598 --> 01:17:29.698
There are traps all over to keep people and infected away, similar to this, where if you trip a wire, a bomb goes off.

01:17:29.898 --> 01:17:34.338
He's a prepper that was right, which is dangerous and cool.

01:17:34.598 --> 01:17:38.638
It's always scary when the prepper is right, like in 10 Cloverfield Lane.

01:17:38.958 --> 01:17:40.598
Yes, exactly.

01:17:40.618 --> 01:17:42.498
Oh, you know, he would get along with Bill really well.

01:17:42.518 --> 01:17:43.078
Yeah, right?

01:17:43.638 --> 01:17:45.138
That John Goodman character.

01:17:45.158 --> 01:17:46.398
I liked that movie.

01:17:46.698 --> 01:17:48.458
I don't want to see it again, but I liked it.

01:17:48.518 --> 01:17:48.998
It was heavy.

01:17:49.158 --> 01:18:02.478
Yeah, as Joel and Ellie get closer to the billowing smoke where we assume Bill probably is, Joel warns Ellie that Bill is not the most stable of individuals, his words, and to let Joel do all the talking.

01:18:03.118 --> 01:18:04.298
Ellie agrees to this.

01:18:05.118 --> 01:18:07.458
Bill just don't take too kindly to strangers.

01:18:08.778 --> 01:18:09.938
Bill is wonderful.

01:18:09.978 --> 01:18:14.838
And again, I just kind of want to cut to the TV show because he has one of my favorite lines in the entire thing.

01:18:14.858 --> 01:18:18.918
And he says, not today, you new world order jackbooted fucks.

01:18:21.858 --> 01:18:26.098
And here's the thing is that that line wasn't technically in the script.

01:18:26.418 --> 01:18:26.938
Really?

01:18:26.958 --> 01:18:28.198
That was a Nick Offerman riff?

01:18:28.218 --> 01:18:29.178
It wasn't a riff.

01:18:29.338 --> 01:18:37.298
So the way Neil Druckmann writes his scripts is that he will write what the character is thinking inside their head as dialogue.

01:18:38.298 --> 01:18:42.998
And so Nick Offerman, who's never played the video game before, he doesn't know technically who Bill is from the game.

01:18:43.018 --> 01:18:44.298
He only knows him from the script.

01:18:44.458 --> 01:18:51.058
He just said, I only have one note, and it's, I'm gonna say this line because you don't write that shit and not say it out loud.

01:18:53.798 --> 01:18:56.418
So that is one of my favorite lines from the TV series.

01:18:56.438 --> 01:19:00.138
And yeah, it's completely just because Nick Offerman insisted this has to be said.

01:19:00.418 --> 01:19:01.538
Oh, fuck yeah.

01:19:01.558 --> 01:19:02.658
I love everything about that.

01:19:02.678 --> 01:19:10.958
Now, to your point about the series, if you haven't seen the episode, it's beautiful, but it does tell the story of Bill from kind of the start of the infection to his death.

01:19:11.118 --> 01:19:11.578
Correct.

01:19:12.138 --> 01:19:13.858
That is not canonical to the game.

01:19:13.978 --> 01:19:15.478
It is a very different story.

01:19:15.498 --> 01:19:28.538
I like both versions of the story, both in the game, it's still a very compelling character, and out of the game, it's this beautiful kind of one-off episode that doesn't feature Ellie and Joel very heavily, but features what life is like in this world.

01:19:28.838 --> 01:19:34.678
And how you can actually live a normal life within this world as well, a relatively normal life.

01:19:34.778 --> 01:19:36.678
Yeah, big asterisk on that.

01:19:37.518 --> 01:19:41.318
Totally, so I just want to acknowledge that before we dive into Bill's world.

01:19:41.598 --> 01:19:44.998
Ellie and Joel get closer and closer to the smoke plume that they saw when they arrived.

01:19:45.278 --> 01:19:51.958
And going through a building, Joel opens the door to move forward, and his foot is shot up, and suddenly he's swinging upside down.

01:19:52.298 --> 01:19:54.698
Oh, this part is so difficult.

01:19:55.018 --> 01:20:00.338
Ellie is reasonably confused as to why her guardian is now swinging upside down like a goddamn piñata.

01:20:00.498 --> 01:20:02.318
Right, she didn't grow up on Looney Tunes.

01:20:02.338 --> 01:20:03.918
She doesn't know these traps exist.

01:20:04.278 --> 01:20:07.118
Joel explains, it's one of Bill's stupid traps.

01:20:08.358 --> 01:20:12.058
Bill did grow up on Looney Tunes, so he knows these traps.

01:20:13.498 --> 01:20:20.058
Joel is now swinging upside down like Michael DeSanta in GTA V when he gets kidnapped by the Chinese mob.

01:20:20.138 --> 01:20:21.918
It is exactly like that.

01:20:23.038 --> 01:20:32.578
Ellie rushes to steady him as he's swinging back and forth, and Joel looks around and sees the counterweight for the trap is a fridge just kind of on the other side of this big warehouse area.

01:20:32.938 --> 01:20:38.958
He's ready to explain to Ellie how to cut him down when, ha ha, he guessed it, infected start pouring in.

01:20:39.078 --> 01:20:39.718
Oh, Jesus.

01:20:39.958 --> 01:20:45.678
For fans of the sequel, we know there's a very similar trap moment that we see another character go through towards the end.

01:20:45.778 --> 01:20:48.738
And I found that symmetry kind of nice within the narrative.

01:20:48.818 --> 01:20:49.458
That is nice.

01:20:49.478 --> 01:20:50.638
Yeah, there's a lot of poetry.

01:20:50.778 --> 01:20:51.298
It rhymes.

01:20:51.978 --> 01:20:52.358
It does.

01:20:52.598 --> 01:20:58.778
Ellie is climbing on top of the fridge to cut Joel down because like a prepared person in the apocalypse, she has a fucking knife.

01:20:59.118 --> 01:21:06.338
And Joel, the person you're playing as, is swinging upside down, shooting at the infected as they start to descend on Ellie.

01:21:06.338 --> 01:21:09.018
And to your point, yes, this is very fucking hard.

01:21:09.598 --> 01:21:12.558
And honestly, even Joel, like, come on, you dumbass.

01:21:12.998 --> 01:21:18.358
He could have at least used his gun to shoot the rope, like got up and close to it and shoot the rope off.

01:21:18.378 --> 01:21:26.998
Yeah, you don't have to shoot across the room to the part on the counter, where you can just kind of hold yourself steady, shoot above your ankles and probably be fine.

01:21:27.058 --> 01:21:30.038
Granted, he got flipped upside down, all the blood's rushing to his head.

01:21:30.058 --> 01:21:31.418
He's not thinking straight anymore.

01:21:31.438 --> 01:21:36.098
Yeah, and he does have to protect Ellie, who is immune from the infected, who could not infect her.

01:21:38.318 --> 01:21:44.418
Ellie is cutting the rope as fast as she can with clickers and runners coming in after her and Joel.

01:21:44.578 --> 01:21:47.558
She finally cuts Joel down, who's ready to land on his spine.

01:21:48.478 --> 01:21:48.838
Right.

01:21:49.618 --> 01:21:54.118
As he lands, an infected lunges at him, swiping and ready to eat his face.

01:21:54.638 --> 01:22:00.738
But as this infected is gnashing their teeth at Joel, a machete comes in and stops the infected.

01:22:01.278 --> 01:22:07.138
The knife makes contact with what flesh the infected had left and then easily slices through to decapitate him.

01:22:07.858 --> 01:22:09.538
And this is where we meet Bill.

01:22:11.298 --> 01:22:12.418
Good introduction to Bill.

01:22:12.638 --> 01:22:14.058
Bill is played by W.

01:22:14.078 --> 01:22:17.438
Earl Brown, who was the brother in There's Something About Mary.

01:22:17.458 --> 01:22:19.958
Okay, yeah, the Frank and Beans guy?

01:22:19.978 --> 01:22:20.198
Yep.

01:22:20.378 --> 01:22:21.138
Oh my God.

01:22:21.258 --> 01:22:23.118
And Dan Doherty in Deadwood.

01:22:23.958 --> 01:22:26.578
Oh, I love Deadwood, and Dan was a great character.

01:22:26.598 --> 01:22:29.978
This boy's got Franks and Beans in range, bitch.

01:22:30.098 --> 01:22:30.798
That is true.

01:22:30.818 --> 01:22:33.878
I mean, he served up Frank and Beans in Deadwood as well, but.

01:22:33.958 --> 01:22:34.778
Yeah, like Pearson.

01:22:34.798 --> 01:22:35.078
Yeah.

01:22:35.958 --> 01:22:40.158
Now, they don't talk a lot about casting, but I do want to say that W.

01:22:40.178 --> 01:22:43.178
Earl Brown beat out Michael Rooker for this role.

01:22:43.338 --> 01:22:45.838
Oh, damn, Michael Rooker would have been great, too.

01:22:45.898 --> 01:22:50.178
And Michael Rooker, if you can't place him, that's Yondu from The Guardians of the Galaxy movies.

01:22:50.198 --> 01:22:51.418
Yeah, the blue-faced guy.

01:22:51.718 --> 01:22:55.998
He once told me I was sexy, and I have been chasing that high ever since.

01:22:56.698 --> 01:23:00.858
I think I called you and was like, you'll never guess what just happened.

01:23:00.878 --> 01:23:02.118
And you're like, huh, huh, what?

01:23:02.138 --> 01:23:05.398
I was like, Michael Rooker's in the office, and he said, look at these sexy girls.

01:23:05.418 --> 01:23:06.238
How are you doing, girl?

01:23:06.258 --> 01:23:06.738
Are you sexy?

01:23:06.878 --> 01:23:08.078
And I was like, ah!

01:23:09.078 --> 01:23:13.358
I made him take a picture with me, and I had a breakout of rosacea all over my face.

01:23:13.378 --> 01:23:14.418
I had a rash.

01:23:14.438 --> 01:23:16.238
I was having an allergic reaction to something.

01:23:16.478 --> 01:23:26.478
So my makeup is so cakey, because I was trying to hide this crazy red across my face, and I am just beaming next to this man who is wildly charismatic.

01:23:26.518 --> 01:23:27.698
And who is not playing Bill.

01:23:27.738 --> 01:23:28.938
He called me sexy once.

01:23:29.538 --> 01:23:33.098
Anyway, ah, I'm still glowing thinking about that.

01:23:33.118 --> 01:23:34.738
That was, I feel like I peaked.

01:23:36.098 --> 01:23:38.858
He was after we got married, but that's still like up top 10.

01:23:39.758 --> 01:23:46.218
Now Bill navigates everyone through a couple more swarms of infected into a safe room behind a lock and key.

01:23:46.538 --> 01:23:49.358
Ellie's like, hey man, thank you so much for the heroics.

01:23:49.378 --> 01:23:54.738
She introduces herself and Bill takes her extended hand that she wanted to shake and handcuffs her to a pipe.

01:23:55.198 --> 01:23:56.678
He then pistol whips Joel.

01:23:57.578 --> 01:23:59.178
Oh, this is a good introduction to Bill.

01:23:59.398 --> 01:24:01.458
Bill's the fucking best.

01:24:01.938 --> 01:24:04.618
It's like he does something great and then he does something awful.

01:24:04.638 --> 01:24:07.138
And then he physically abuses the people he's around.

01:24:07.158 --> 01:24:07.838
A child.

01:24:08.098 --> 01:24:13.958
As Bill is satisfied to see that Joel isn't infected, Ellie rips the pipe off the wall and hits Bill with it.

01:24:14.178 --> 01:24:15.138
That's Ellie for you.

01:24:15.318 --> 01:24:18.778
In one take, Ashley Johnson actually did hit the shit out of W.

01:24:18.798 --> 01:24:19.998
Earl Brown on accident.

01:24:20.038 --> 01:24:20.618
Oh no.

01:24:20.638 --> 01:24:21.478
I know.

01:24:21.978 --> 01:24:23.718
Ellie reasonably screams at Bill.

01:24:23.958 --> 01:24:26.098
Bill's like, haha, I hate you guys.

01:24:26.518 --> 01:24:28.738
Ellie reasonably is like, hey man, fuck you.

01:24:28.758 --> 01:24:30.798
Why'd you tie me to a goddamn pipe?

01:24:30.978 --> 01:24:32.498
And Joel's like, I need your help.

01:24:32.858 --> 01:24:33.598
I need a car.

01:24:34.078 --> 01:24:35.858
Bill's like, you need a car?

01:24:36.078 --> 01:24:36.938
That's a joke.

01:24:37.078 --> 01:24:39.238
Why would I give you a fucking car?

01:24:40.698 --> 01:24:44.158
He sarcastically is like, why don't you take all my food while you're at it?

01:24:44.258 --> 01:24:46.738
Ellie's like, yeah, you look like you could lose a few pounds.

01:24:47.178 --> 01:24:48.158
Oh, more fat jokes.

01:24:48.178 --> 01:24:48.858
Is she gladdose?

01:24:49.778 --> 01:24:51.338
I know, right?

01:24:51.438 --> 01:24:55.318
Joel is like the babysitter between two bickering children.

01:24:55.338 --> 01:24:56.898
And he tells her to stop mouthing off.

01:24:57.078 --> 01:24:59.078
And he focuses back on Bill to get a car.

01:24:59.218 --> 01:25:02.598
I mean, if you are hefty in the apocalypse, you're eating well.

01:25:02.618 --> 01:25:03.618
He is eating well.

01:25:03.798 --> 01:25:06.698
We see in the TV show, he eats like duck and shit.

01:25:06.958 --> 01:25:11.978
Bill explains that there's a car on the other side of town and he might be able to cobble something together.

01:25:12.098 --> 01:25:16.298
But after this, he does not owe Joel fucking anything.

01:25:16.578 --> 01:25:18.158
So there might be a little debt there.

01:25:18.438 --> 01:25:20.638
Yeah, they're like, all right, let's fucking go get it.

01:25:20.758 --> 01:25:24.818
Bill says, by the way, this entire town is booby trap, so stay on my ass.

01:25:25.998 --> 01:25:27.358
Ellie says, can't miss it.

01:25:28.038 --> 01:25:28.578
Damn.

01:25:29.058 --> 01:25:31.518
So they don't get along from a minute one.

01:25:31.538 --> 01:25:33.378
Yeah, and there's not a lot of arc here.

01:25:33.478 --> 01:25:36.058
They're not gonna like each other at the end of this.

01:25:37.098 --> 01:25:39.518
Joel is so like, shut up, but that was good.

01:25:40.338 --> 01:25:44.118
Like he cannot show that he liked that joke, but you can tell he's like, god damn.

01:25:44.138 --> 01:25:45.838
It's like, damn Ellie, you got a mouth on you.

01:25:45.998 --> 01:25:46.558
I love it.

01:25:46.798 --> 01:25:52.058
Bill brings Joel and Ellie to his armory and gives Joel some shit for not being with Tess.

01:25:52.438 --> 01:25:56.098
And Joel sidesteps it and does not tell him what happened.

01:25:56.658 --> 01:25:56.838
Oh.

01:25:57.278 --> 01:26:00.518
Bill's like, whatever, this is the worst fucking mission you've ever taken.

01:26:00.538 --> 01:26:04.038
And he also goes on a little rant about, you can't care about anyone.

01:26:04.118 --> 01:26:07.538
I used to care about someone and it's a weakness and it's a terrible idea.

01:26:07.638 --> 01:26:08.858
Don't get attached to anyone.

01:26:09.118 --> 01:26:10.898
Bill says he used to care about someone.

01:26:10.978 --> 01:26:12.058
It was like a partner.

01:26:12.218 --> 01:26:15.778
And the only good thing that partner was for was getting him killed.

01:26:16.198 --> 01:26:18.178
So he's like really bitter about this shit.

01:26:18.278 --> 01:26:19.518
Oh, I'm so sorry, Bill.

01:26:19.538 --> 01:26:21.298
You're the first person to ever lose somebody.

01:26:21.618 --> 01:26:24.138
During the table read for this scene, W.

01:26:24.158 --> 01:26:29.138
Earl Brown asked Neil Druckmann about the backstory of this anecdote and what that means for Bill.

01:26:29.478 --> 01:26:33.178
Neil said, well, as Bill, what do you think it means?

01:26:33.478 --> 01:26:33.958
And W.

01:26:33.978 --> 01:26:37.538
Earl Brown made the executive decision for what this means for Bill.

01:26:37.818 --> 01:26:39.058
Really, that's amazing.

01:26:39.078 --> 01:26:44.398
Like again, this is where Neil Druckmann really like leans on his actors to help drive the narrative.

01:26:44.418 --> 01:26:45.738
Entirely, yeah.

01:26:46.098 --> 01:26:51.938
Back in the story, Bill gives Joel a shotgun so they can get on with it, go get the parts they need, get all this shit.

01:26:52.118 --> 01:26:59.118
Bill's town is incredibly well guarded and trapped by Bill, but there are military convoys that come through town every so often.

01:26:59.458 --> 01:27:03.858
Recently, one got overrun by infected and drove their truck into a nearby school.

01:27:04.038 --> 01:27:07.838
Bill can pull the battery out of that truck and drop it into another working car.

01:27:08.078 --> 01:27:08.838
So that's the goal.

01:27:09.338 --> 01:27:10.658
That's pretty easy, right?

01:27:10.818 --> 01:27:11.158
Yeah.

01:27:11.198 --> 01:27:15.538
The only trick is that school they drove into, super overrun by infected.

01:27:15.538 --> 01:27:16.418
Of course it is.

01:27:16.438 --> 01:27:17.458
So we had to be careful.

01:27:18.538 --> 01:27:19.558
Off to the school we go.

01:27:19.738 --> 01:27:26.858
Because this area is so heavy with infected, Bill's actually not super familiar with the hordes and stuff there, and there aren't as many traps.

01:27:27.178 --> 01:27:32.258
He's obviously kind of got his radius really secured, but there's gonna be pockets of town you can't control.

01:27:32.538 --> 01:27:35.238
Yeah, you could only extend your defenses so far.

01:27:35.258 --> 01:27:37.018
But that's where Joel comes in.

01:27:37.738 --> 01:27:44.598
Joel is navigating the clickers and the infected runners, kind of just making sure the path is clear for Ellie and Bill to come through.

01:27:44.838 --> 01:27:49.978
As they get towards the school, a huge horde of infected are roaming around these rotting school buses.

01:27:50.918 --> 01:28:00.238
After getting through this huge mass of infected, Joel and Bill accidentally bring a lot of attention to themselves with all the gunplay, and bring way more infected rushing towards them.

01:28:01.078 --> 01:28:01.838
These boys.

01:28:02.578 --> 01:28:03.698
These loud boys.

01:28:04.598 --> 01:28:12.578
Joel finds an open window in the school and gets Bill and Ellie through into the school, and he barely squeezes by before getting swiped at by an infected.

01:28:12.718 --> 01:28:14.378
It's very Indiana Jones in the hat.

01:28:14.718 --> 01:28:15.118
Oh, okay.

01:28:15.338 --> 01:28:21.138
Once inside the school, Bill walks over to the truck, pops the hood, and the battery's fucking gone.

01:28:21.158 --> 01:28:22.018
Son of a bitch.

01:28:22.238 --> 01:28:23.718
Someone else took the battery out.

01:28:23.778 --> 01:28:25.218
Now who would take the battery out?

01:28:25.498 --> 01:28:28.638
Bill's like, it's kind of just me, so what the fuck?

01:28:28.838 --> 01:28:34.298
But someone beat Bill to the punch, and Joel is like, okay, well, fuck, what's the plan?

01:28:34.438 --> 01:28:40.458
And Bill is like, well, shit, this school and campus is crawling with infected, so let's start by getting out of here.

01:28:40.498 --> 01:28:42.318
Yeah, he's like, this was the plan, dude.

01:28:42.478 --> 01:28:44.938
This school is so creepy.

01:28:44.998 --> 01:28:51.098
If you've ever been in a school at night when no one's there, imagine that, but 30 years abandoned and zombies.

01:28:51.238 --> 01:28:54.458
I've actually been in a 30-year-old abandoned school before.

01:28:54.478 --> 01:28:56.478
Ew, what the fuck, did you die?

01:28:56.498 --> 01:29:01.618
No, no, it's a whole long story, but I have not been in one full of zombies.

01:29:01.738 --> 01:29:05.258
But General Gist, it's rotting classrooms, and it's terrifying.

01:29:05.278 --> 01:29:08.858
Oh, horribly terrifying, especially when you find like a doll that got left behind.

01:29:13.098 --> 01:29:18.378
This journey through the rotting classrooms to get out of the school alive leads them to the gymnasium.

01:29:18.578 --> 01:29:20.498
And it's a basic indoor high school gym.

01:29:20.518 --> 01:29:21.718
It's a basketball court.

01:29:21.958 --> 01:29:22.958
There's bleachers.

01:29:23.258 --> 01:29:27.798
And of course, with every school gym, a bloater, baby.

01:29:27.818 --> 01:29:30.078
Oh, so we haven't talked about the bloater yet.

01:29:30.098 --> 01:29:37.238
Yes, out of the back of the gym, bursts a bulbous infected monster completely covered in boils.

01:29:37.738 --> 01:29:38.738
It is huge.

01:29:38.818 --> 01:29:39.718
It is gross.

01:29:40.098 --> 01:29:42.038
It throws bombs made out of spores.

01:29:43.218 --> 01:29:45.018
Spores, what are the spores?

01:29:45.458 --> 01:29:47.638
All right, so let's just talk about what a bloater is first.

01:29:47.658 --> 01:29:47.998
Okay.

01:29:47.998 --> 01:29:54.758
A bloater is what happens after an infected has been a clicker for so long, the infection has spread through every part of their body.

01:29:55.178 --> 01:29:57.218
Their clothes are completely worn off them.

01:29:57.458 --> 01:30:03.418
They're now this huge chunk of infected flesh lumbering through feasting on bodies.

01:30:03.418 --> 01:30:05.118
So it's disgusting.

01:30:05.138 --> 01:30:13.178
It's a lot of boils and they're able to excrete spores, which, this is a fungus, so it's similar to a mushroom.

01:30:13.198 --> 01:30:17.838
And a spore is kind of this airborne element of the infection.

01:30:18.218 --> 01:30:21.518
Okay, so it's like why you should always get rid of black mold in your house.

01:30:21.678 --> 01:30:24.318
Yes, and wear a mask.

01:30:24.338 --> 01:30:25.398
Remember that whole shit?

01:30:25.418 --> 01:30:25.818
Yeah.

01:30:25.838 --> 01:30:26.518
Same deal.

01:30:26.658 --> 01:30:29.418
So they're just fucking disgusting.

01:30:29.438 --> 01:30:31.378
It's like a bunch of blisters running around.

01:30:31.398 --> 01:30:32.298
It's horrible.

01:30:32.318 --> 01:30:33.198
And they're huge.

01:30:33.418 --> 01:30:37.798
You cannot melee them because they're so big and overpowered by the fungus.

01:30:37.978 --> 01:30:40.778
You have to shoot them from afar, set them on fire, whatever.

01:30:40.798 --> 01:30:42.098
You just can't roll up on them.

01:30:42.238 --> 01:30:49.038
And as you're going through the game, there are also sections where the spores are like kind of all in the air and Joel has to put on a mask.

01:30:49.118 --> 01:30:50.318
Yeah, Ellie doesn't.

01:30:50.598 --> 01:30:55.178
Yeah, in the game, that's how they proved to Joel that she really was fully immune.

01:30:55.418 --> 01:31:02.238
But in the TV show, they had her get bit a second time and just have her be like, oh, well, I guess if any of us was gonna get bitten, should have been me.

01:31:02.338 --> 01:31:03.758
Yeah, she's like shit happens.

01:31:03.858 --> 01:31:07.538
Yeah, and Joel's just like, damn, you really just got bitten and didn't turn.

01:31:07.558 --> 01:31:09.298
All right, I guess you're now, you are safe.

01:31:09.298 --> 01:31:11.018
You're super vaccinated.

01:31:11.458 --> 01:31:20.378
Ellie has never seen a bloater before, probably because she's been in the sanctity of the Boston quarantine zone, the QZ, and is like, what the hell?

01:31:21.158 --> 01:31:24.578
This is horrifying to see for the first time as Ellie and as the player.

01:31:24.718 --> 01:31:26.698
Yeah, she grew up in a Fedra orphanage.

01:31:26.958 --> 01:31:29.138
Yeah, she went to a military school and shit.

01:31:29.378 --> 01:31:34.718
Bill and Joel beat this bloater down with a few additional infected runners and they get out.

01:31:35.158 --> 01:31:39.218
They catch their breath right outside the school and they're like, holy shit, that was great.

01:31:39.238 --> 01:31:41.258
I mean, that was terrible, but we lived.

01:31:42.018 --> 01:31:45.038
And then a bunch more infected come by, so they're like, well, shit.

01:31:45.418 --> 01:31:48.598
Bill is like, hey, let's go up to that fucking house, let's go.

01:31:49.018 --> 01:31:52.058
They get in, they close the doors, they catch their breath.

01:31:52.598 --> 01:31:55.978
And as they do, Bill looks up and sees a familiar face.

01:31:56.698 --> 01:32:04.218
As he looks up just by the Hawaiian button shirt on this corpse hanging from the ceiling, Bill sees Frank.

01:32:04.818 --> 01:32:06.538
Joel's like, who the hell is Frank?

01:32:06.818 --> 01:32:09.938
And Bill says plainly that Frank was his partner.

01:32:10.138 --> 01:32:13.198
And within this line delivery specifically, W.

01:32:13.218 --> 01:32:25.698
Earl Brown took the words on the page from mourning a running buddy to mourning the last love Bill had in a broken world, and inspired one of the best episodes of TV in a very long time.

01:32:26.558 --> 01:32:29.698
I mean, it's amazing what an actor can do with a single line.

01:32:30.038 --> 01:32:30.898
Entirely.

01:32:31.018 --> 01:32:34.178
Now, Neil never had that intention when writing Bill.

01:32:34.858 --> 01:32:36.978
Neil never saw Bill as queer.

01:32:37.298 --> 01:32:47.438
He saw Bill as a loner who had another smuggler or someone he connected with for parts or trades, but he didn't see Frank as significant to Bill's heart.

01:32:48.198 --> 01:32:49.338
Until he read that line.

01:32:49.338 --> 01:32:50.018
Until W.

01:32:50.038 --> 01:32:54.678
Earl Brown said, no, I think that's what he means by partner, which is so beautiful.

01:32:55.118 --> 01:32:57.098
I mean, he asked him, what does he think he means?

01:32:57.118 --> 01:32:58.338
Like he leaned on him for that.

01:32:58.478 --> 01:32:58.898
Yeah.

01:32:59.338 --> 01:33:03.598
Now Joel says, well, Frank was probably Britain and wanted to take his own life before turning.

01:33:04.418 --> 01:33:11.958
In this phase of the world, most people know ending their story while they still can is better than living the hell of just being a ghost inside of a fungus, you know?

01:33:12.038 --> 01:33:16.778
Yeah, you don't want to turn that, because also like what that ends up doing is putting others in danger.

01:33:17.138 --> 01:33:19.058
Yeah, no, entirely.

01:33:19.318 --> 01:33:30.158
Bill privately mourns bitterly at seeing the only other citizen of his town hanging from the rafters, but then says, fuck him, and tells Joel to go through the house for any usable supplies.

01:33:30.498 --> 01:33:35.498
Bill and Joel get into the garage where Ellie has gotten into the truck and says, hey, there's still some juice in that.

01:33:35.838 --> 01:33:42.358
And with this, Bill pops the hood of the truck and sees the fucking battery they were looking for in the goddamn school.

01:33:42.678 --> 01:33:44.518
Frank had the same damn idea.

01:33:44.538 --> 01:33:51.918
His painful mourning immediately shifts to anger and frustration that goddamn Frank is an asshole who stole his shit.

01:33:53.678 --> 01:33:55.478
You can see why Frank left him.

01:33:56.958 --> 01:33:57.418
Yeah.

01:33:57.698 --> 01:34:00.498
You know, he kind of flies off the handle pretty quick.

01:34:00.518 --> 01:34:02.138
Yeah, he's a lunatic.

01:34:02.158 --> 01:34:07.558
So unlike Frank, the battery isn't completely dead, but they do have to start pushing the car to get it moving.

01:34:07.818 --> 01:34:14.118
Joel has Ellie sit in the front to pop the clutch, and Bill and Joel start rolling the truck out of the house to get the cells recharged.

01:34:14.338 --> 01:34:17.298
Bill does look around the garage and he goes, is this more of my shit?

01:34:17.378 --> 01:34:18.358
He stole my shit.

01:34:19.958 --> 01:34:21.578
So like honestly, go Frank.

01:34:22.418 --> 01:34:27.878
As Joel goes to Ellie to prep her for moving the car, he tells her she's doing a good job, a genuine compliment.

01:34:28.278 --> 01:34:31.598
Bill tells Ellie not to fuck it up, and they start moving the truck out.

01:34:31.778 --> 01:34:33.318
So you know, both sides of that coin.

01:34:34.598 --> 01:34:40.158
Some infected pop up as they're getting the truck moving, but they are able to turn the car over and start rolling.

01:34:40.398 --> 01:34:47.458
Ellie and Joel give Bill a ride back towards his encampment, and as they drop him off, Bill says he and Joel are square, and they go their separate ways.

01:34:47.998 --> 01:34:51.458
As Ellie and Joel drive off, Ellie is in the back reading a comic book.

01:34:51.518 --> 01:34:56.738
Joel asks where she got it, and she said she grabbed it back at Bill's, because he was just sitting there, like whatever.

01:34:57.058 --> 01:34:58.258
Yeah, she likes comic books.

01:34:58.898 --> 01:35:03.698
She then pulls out a nudie mag, and Joel goes, hey Ellie, that's not for kids.

01:35:04.818 --> 01:35:08.458
She says, hold your horses, I want to see what all the fuss is about.

01:35:08.838 --> 01:35:13.558
Now she goes to a centerfold, as I mentioned about the character decision made by W.

01:35:13.738 --> 01:35:14.738
Earl Brown on Bill.

01:35:15.478 --> 01:35:19.358
She looks at this centerfold, and she goes, how does he walk around with that thing?

01:35:21.778 --> 01:35:24.558
Then she asks Joel why all the pages are stuck together.

01:35:24.938 --> 01:35:29.058
Gosh, this is the most awkward thing you could possibly put Joel through.

01:35:29.078 --> 01:35:33.418
He's like, oh, and she just goes, I'm just fucking with you.

01:35:34.078 --> 01:35:37.678
She throws the magazine out the window and says, bye bye, dudes.

01:35:39.238 --> 01:35:43.398
Now in the original script, this was a nude woman magazine, but because of W.

01:35:43.798 --> 01:35:48.978
Earl Brown's decisions as Bill, they changed it to a male magazine and redid the line.

01:35:48.978 --> 01:35:53.478
So instead of saying, bye bye, ladies, Ashley Johnson yells, bye bye, dudes.

01:35:53.678 --> 01:35:56.658
And honestly, knowing what happens with Ellie, she would have probably kept the girl one.

01:35:56.898 --> 01:35:58.918
Yeah, everyone's gay in this.

01:35:58.938 --> 01:35:59.918
It's fucking great.

01:36:00.618 --> 01:36:07.278
This scene was also a chemistry read that was used in the audition process for Troy Baker and Ashley Johnson.

01:36:07.738 --> 01:36:12.858
That's really good because this chemistry is really where they start to make their change, too.

01:36:13.078 --> 01:36:17.638
Yeah, they start to really bond, and Joel kind of figures out Ellie's sense of humor.

01:36:17.658 --> 01:36:19.418
Yeah, he really does.

01:36:19.438 --> 01:36:20.838
He starts to get to know her a little bit better.

01:36:20.858 --> 01:36:23.078
He's also seen her hold her own a bit more.

01:36:23.458 --> 01:36:30.218
Yeah, he's been like, okay, you can stay on my ass when we're, like, going through and navigating a hard situation, so you're not useless.

01:36:30.238 --> 01:36:31.538
You're not a damsel in distress.

01:36:32.198 --> 01:36:35.158
And he also thought she was really funny when she was dealing with Bill.

01:36:35.298 --> 01:36:38.578
Yeah, he's very like, shut up, but he's like, damn, okay.

01:36:39.778 --> 01:36:47.518
They drive a bit farther and end up in Pittsburgh, which is about 570 miles west of Boston, which is, you know, a great start.

01:36:47.858 --> 01:36:48.638
Fair distance.

01:36:48.658 --> 01:36:51.598
I mean, that should be more than one tank of gas, but let's not cover that.

01:36:51.698 --> 01:36:52.758
We're not gonna talk about the gas.

01:36:53.878 --> 01:37:00.018
The city is packed with cars, and Joel tries to cut through the city, which, you know, worked so well back in Austin.

01:37:00.058 --> 01:37:00.378
Right.

01:37:00.498 --> 01:37:05.058
They come up on a man clutching his side, waving and saying he's hurt and asking for help.

01:37:05.458 --> 01:37:07.338
Joel sees this and knows it's a ruse.

01:37:07.598 --> 01:37:15.898
He drives faster towards the guy, and as the car comes closer, the man stands up straight and starts shooting, and other rogue bandits around start attacking the truck.

01:37:16.158 --> 01:37:21.618
Joel drives into a store and crashes the car, and as he does, the other guys come out towards this car.

01:37:22.158 --> 01:37:28.318
In this city, the QZ failed a long time ago, and now it's run by rebels that are called hunters.

01:37:28.618 --> 01:37:33.018
They scavenge and they kill outsiders that they call tourists for supplies.

01:37:33.578 --> 01:37:37.098
Now, this first sequence was actually the E3 demo for The Last of Us, so...

01:37:37.478 --> 01:37:44.318
Well, one of the reasons why this was the E3 demo was this was the very first thing that they physically filmed.

01:37:44.578 --> 01:37:45.058
Really?

01:37:45.058 --> 01:37:46.738
Was this car scene right here.

01:37:46.758 --> 01:37:47.438
Oh, shit.

01:37:47.538 --> 01:37:53.418
And it actually changed the trajectory of the entire game over a single decision that Ashley made.

01:37:53.678 --> 01:37:53.898
Oh.

01:37:54.038 --> 01:37:59.958
While she was performing as Ellie, one of the things you talked about earlier was the inspiration from Sin City.

01:38:00.938 --> 01:38:05.858
Now, if you remember in that, Jessica Alba's character is very much the damsel in distress.

01:38:06.458 --> 01:38:06.858
Right.

01:38:06.918 --> 01:38:10.318
She does not have any agency over her own protection necessarily.

01:38:10.678 --> 01:38:13.958
And she's not in a world where she has to be particularly protective of herself.

01:38:13.978 --> 01:38:18.418
She's a stripper or a go-go dancer, I think is more the clean version in the movie.

01:38:18.438 --> 01:38:18.718
Yeah.

01:38:18.738 --> 01:38:22.718
So she's not like she's an MMA fighter that can casually kick someone's ass.

01:38:22.718 --> 01:38:23.498
She's a dancer.

01:38:23.778 --> 01:38:26.398
And that's actually how Ellie was written.

01:38:26.998 --> 01:38:27.258
Oh.

01:38:27.558 --> 01:38:31.578
Ellie was written to be damsel in distress, useless child.

01:38:31.778 --> 01:38:36.918
And Ashley read the script and was performing on the day, and she just couldn't get it right.

01:38:36.938 --> 01:38:38.398
And she said, here's the thing.

01:38:38.798 --> 01:38:40.458
I don't think I would be scared here.

01:38:40.618 --> 01:38:43.118
I think Ellie would fight back here.

01:38:43.138 --> 01:38:44.118
Hell yeah.

01:38:44.338 --> 01:38:49.338
And from that moment forward, Ellie went from damsel in distress into fighter.

01:38:49.778 --> 01:38:51.118
Hell yeah.

01:38:51.138 --> 01:38:53.798
And that changed the entire character going forward.

01:38:54.018 --> 01:38:55.178
I fucking love that.

01:38:56.018 --> 01:39:00.178
Which is good that they did that on day one, because otherwise we would have had all these issues earlier.

01:39:00.198 --> 01:39:04.498
For like 10 hours in the game, she's like, hey, Joel, what if I helped?

01:39:04.638 --> 01:39:08.878
Yeah, no, but that was the moment where she had read it, and she was like, this isn't right.

01:39:08.878 --> 01:39:11.258
She needs to be a fighter, and that changed everything.

01:39:11.458 --> 01:39:12.518
I love that.

01:39:12.538 --> 01:39:13.338
That's amazing.

01:39:13.918 --> 01:39:19.638
So within this, Joel is hiding behind parts of the fallen store as men shoot at him all around this crashed car.

01:39:20.018 --> 01:39:22.898
Ellie's also hiding, but you know, she's not being useless.

01:39:22.918 --> 01:39:24.218
She's not screaming for help.

01:39:24.238 --> 01:39:25.598
She's like, we're in this.

01:39:25.738 --> 01:39:26.738
Let's fucking go.

01:39:26.878 --> 01:39:27.278
Yeah.

01:39:27.558 --> 01:39:33.538
Now within Pittsburgh, you can find a newspaper that shows that they're on the 13th Uncharted movie.

01:39:34.918 --> 01:39:35.658
That's great.

01:39:35.798 --> 01:39:38.798
And that Justin Bieber is announced as Nathan Drake.

01:39:39.198 --> 01:39:41.018
He's going to replace whoever was playing him before.

01:39:41.798 --> 01:39:44.118
It turned into like a James Bond franchise.

01:39:44.138 --> 01:39:46.918
Yeah, they're just different Nathan Drakes every few years.

01:39:47.278 --> 01:39:48.858
And they cast Bieber as him.

01:39:49.038 --> 01:39:49.858
That's terrible.

01:39:49.878 --> 01:39:50.298
I love it.

01:39:50.338 --> 01:39:51.818
It was 2013.

01:39:51.838 --> 01:39:52.978
The world was ending.

01:39:52.998 --> 01:39:53.778
We didn't know.

01:39:54.038 --> 01:39:57.418
It was the sign that the world was ending that he got cast as Nathan Drake.

01:39:57.438 --> 01:40:02.278
This is the source of the core virus is casting Justin Bieber as Nathan Drake.

01:40:02.298 --> 01:40:04.018
And the universe was just like, nope, we're done.

01:40:04.398 --> 01:40:06.058
See, our universe picked Tom Holland.

01:40:06.078 --> 01:40:08.218
We only had to deal with a coronavirus, right?

01:40:09.598 --> 01:40:13.258
If it was Harry Styles, we definitely would have gotten a core virus.

01:40:14.878 --> 01:40:16.178
And I will stand by that.

01:40:16.198 --> 01:40:17.698
Hot takes, ladies and gentlemen.

01:40:18.938 --> 01:40:30.058
So they navigate through this very hostile Pittsburgh, through all these hunters, and they figure if they can get to the bridge right outside a pit, they can get out of town and get the fuck away from these crazy people.

01:40:31.018 --> 01:40:33.678
Now, there are hunters all throughout the city.

01:40:33.698 --> 01:40:34.658
They are everywhere.

01:40:34.838 --> 01:40:39.998
But with that comes more opportunity to scavenge for bullets and loose pushpins and shit like that.

01:40:40.638 --> 01:40:43.058
So, you know, good and bad.

01:40:43.078 --> 01:40:44.438
The scavenging in this game.

01:40:44.578 --> 01:40:46.998
Scavenging this game sucks, and I don't like it.

01:40:47.278 --> 01:40:51.938
But you got to explore all sorts of different places, including something that was added to the PS5 version.

01:40:52.198 --> 01:40:54.758
Yes, which we will get into, so we're almost there.

01:40:54.878 --> 01:41:12.338
Because this journey through Pittsburgh takes Ellie and Joel through a hotel that is crawling with hunters and is such a notoriously difficult level that I have seen people interviewing Pedro Pascal about Joel asking, how do I get out of the hotel in Pittsburgh?

01:41:12.358 --> 01:41:14.738
In The Last of Us, he's been like, I've never played it.

01:41:14.758 --> 01:41:16.098
I'm bad at video games.

01:41:16.598 --> 01:41:18.238
Yeah, he has never played the game.

01:41:18.258 --> 01:41:22.838
They told him not to play the game first off when he's cast as it, but he was also like, I can't, so don't worry.

01:41:22.858 --> 01:41:26.138
Yeah, I think he said he's tried, and he's like, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.

01:41:26.178 --> 01:41:27.058
I just kept dying.

01:41:27.178 --> 01:41:31.398
I mean, if he had put some effort into it, like you didn't think you could do it either, but now you can.

01:41:31.418 --> 01:41:32.038
Here I am.

01:41:32.598 --> 01:41:33.558
He's busy.

01:41:33.938 --> 01:41:35.518
He's running every franchise.

01:41:35.538 --> 01:41:35.878
He is.

01:41:35.898 --> 01:41:37.138
He's in a lot of franchises.

01:41:37.158 --> 01:41:39.398
Do you think we'll get him in the Fast and Furious franchise?

01:41:39.418 --> 01:41:40.918
I'm surprised he hasn't been already.

01:41:41.678 --> 01:41:42.318
Fair enough.

01:41:43.138 --> 01:41:46.838
And through this hotel that they're going through, Joel and Ellie get separated.

01:41:47.178 --> 01:42:04.338
Joel falls down an elevator shaft, which is how people die on soap operas, but it's fine for Joel, and gets stuck in this horrible basement level where he has to swim and dodge past bloaters and clickers, and, of course, turn on a generator.

01:42:04.358 --> 01:42:05.918
Goddamn generator.

01:42:07.378 --> 01:42:09.678
I feel the anger rising.

01:42:09.958 --> 01:42:16.498
I purposely kind of skim over a couple of these later in the game because I know it gets annoying, and then it's another fucking generator.

01:42:16.518 --> 01:42:18.078
Well, in this game, it's not just the generators.

01:42:18.378 --> 01:42:20.998
It's the number of times you got to hop Ellie onto a crate.

01:42:21.158 --> 01:42:24.618
The number of times you got to grab a plank and turn it into a bridge.

01:42:24.738 --> 01:42:25.638
Moving ladders.

01:42:25.658 --> 01:42:26.758
Moving ladders.

01:42:26.778 --> 01:42:31.658
Like, I was watching you play through it this last time, and I was still just like, yeah, this gameplay, not for me.

01:42:32.678 --> 01:42:39.078
Love the story, but this gameplay is just too tedious and too, like, always doing kind of the same thing.

01:42:39.098 --> 01:42:40.458
You got to push a cart somewhere.

01:42:40.478 --> 01:42:43.578
Yeah, it was a little bit repetitive, in my opinion.

01:42:43.598 --> 01:42:49.598
There are a lot of environmental puzzles in this that they don't lean on as much in 2, which I think is why I like 2 a bit better.

01:42:50.458 --> 01:42:52.038
I really enjoy 2 a lot more.

01:42:52.198 --> 01:42:54.098
So little preview for our Patreon.

01:42:54.118 --> 01:43:02.798
I'm doing Half-Life 2 Episodes 1 and 2 for our next Patreon episode, and I'm playing those games through with their commentary, and they talk a lot about game theory and game design.

01:43:03.138 --> 01:43:08.378
And one of the things they said was, like, after a big action piece, you needed a puzzle piece to kind of, like, calm the gamer down.

01:43:08.618 --> 01:43:08.998
Yeah.

01:43:09.098 --> 01:43:17.678
But the thing was, was that with those games, they needed the puzzle to equal the action from before it in terms of difficulty, or else the gamer got bored.

01:43:17.858 --> 01:43:19.758
I don't see The Last of Us do this.

01:43:19.758 --> 01:43:25.118
I see us have a big bloater action sequence, and then we got to grab a ladder and walk it over here.

01:43:25.138 --> 01:43:26.198
We got to set it down.

01:43:26.218 --> 01:43:28.218
And Ellie, come over here, and I'm going to help you climb.

01:43:28.238 --> 01:43:29.098
You know, that kind of shit.

01:43:29.518 --> 01:43:34.138
Yeah, and it kind of became the same puzzles over and over again, just a different variety of it.

01:43:34.278 --> 01:43:34.898
Oh, no.

01:43:35.098 --> 01:43:36.958
But the story is so fucking beautiful.

01:43:36.978 --> 01:43:39.438
It completely outweighs that problem.

01:43:39.578 --> 01:43:41.698
Do you think that's why you prefer the TV show?

01:43:41.998 --> 01:43:43.798
I do prefer the TV show at this point.

01:43:43.818 --> 01:43:51.638
I think if I want to experience The Last of Us, I would just watch the TV series, but I would absolutely pick up and play Last of Us 2, like, tomorrow if I wanted to.

01:43:51.658 --> 01:43:52.858
I might pick it up tonight.

01:43:54.818 --> 01:44:02.698
Playing one, I thought I would want to crave and watch that show, but playing one just makes me want to play two, because I'm like, it's this but better.

01:44:02.758 --> 01:44:03.658
Yeah.

01:44:04.138 --> 01:44:10.998
Anyway, Joel falls down a fucking elevator shaft, gets down into a basement, generator, all this shit.

01:44:10.998 --> 01:44:14.838
Joel comes back up through this hotel looking for Ellie, and he's jumped by a hunter.

01:44:14.938 --> 01:44:20.078
This guy ends up pinning Joel under kind of this patch of water and drowning him.

01:44:20.178 --> 01:44:23.858
Joel is like trying to fight him, but he is fully getting overtaken.

01:44:24.258 --> 01:44:33.878
He's reaching for a gun that's just out of his range, and as Joel starts to really lose his bearings, Ellie comes up, picks up the gun, and shoots the hunter who is attacking Joel.

01:44:33.898 --> 01:44:36.338
Oh, so Ellie has now used a gun.

01:44:36.538 --> 01:44:39.438
Ellie says, I really shot the shit out of that guy, didn't I?

01:44:40.578 --> 01:44:42.938
And then follows up with, I feel sick.

01:44:43.978 --> 01:44:44.418
Oh, good.

01:44:44.438 --> 01:44:47.438
At least they had some kind of remorse over it.

01:44:47.738 --> 01:44:48.018
Yeah.

01:44:48.418 --> 01:44:53.558
Joel is a bit ungrateful, and he says, well, I'm glad I didn't get my head blown off by a goddamn kid.

01:44:54.818 --> 01:44:59.798
I mean, I also think of the contrast with Sarah and how she reacted to seeing her dad kill somebody.

01:45:00.018 --> 01:45:00.638
Oh, yeah.

01:45:00.658 --> 01:45:03.718
Then Ellie with her reaction to just literally killing somebody.

01:45:03.718 --> 01:45:04.358
Oh, my God.

01:45:04.798 --> 01:45:07.358
Ellie hits him back with, hey, I just saved you.

01:45:07.378 --> 01:45:08.858
Do you have a thank you for me?

01:45:08.878 --> 01:45:09.818
Got anything like that?

01:45:10.398 --> 01:45:11.158
Joel does not.

01:45:11.338 --> 01:45:12.978
And he's just like, we have to keep moving.

01:45:13.838 --> 01:45:14.818
Joel, grow up.

01:45:15.338 --> 01:45:20.538
This is one of the audition scenes of Ellie being like, hey, asshole, I saved your life.

01:45:20.638 --> 01:45:21.958
Can you give me any compassion?

01:45:22.078 --> 01:45:23.078
And Joel says no.

01:45:23.438 --> 01:45:33.118
And it's an important chemistry read here as well, because you get that kind of light, playful energy, and then you get the stress energy of what the stakes are in this world.

01:45:33.138 --> 01:45:41.258
So this was also used to make sure that Ashley and Troy could reflect that balance between the characters and what they both want and what they need out of this world.

01:45:41.578 --> 01:45:47.138
And I think also Joel is kind of like what Bill was saying before, where don't make attachments.

01:45:48.158 --> 01:45:52.218
Don't love other people, because otherwise it just leads to death, and Joel's just like, preach, brother.

01:45:52.438 --> 01:45:54.898
And don't feel indebted to people, clearly, as well.

01:45:54.958 --> 01:46:00.598
Yeah, and he's seeing what happens when you do, so it's kind of like, keep your distance, so that way I don't get hurt again.

01:46:00.778 --> 01:46:01.238
Right.

01:46:02.418 --> 01:46:11.578
So quietly, they continue to move through the hotel and make it out to see a field completely crawling with hunters in kind of a defunct federal encampment.

01:46:12.058 --> 01:46:17.458
We can see kind of lines and stands where they clearly did rations, military shit, all this stuff.

01:46:17.538 --> 01:46:22.198
Joel takes this beat from a high ground and gives Ellie a rifle to cover him.

01:46:22.598 --> 01:46:24.118
He's like, I have to go clear it out.

01:46:24.158 --> 01:46:27.318
It's gonna be too difficult if we're not both there, because there's so many guys.

01:46:27.958 --> 01:46:31.538
Stay up here, take people out if you need to, make every shot count.

01:46:31.838 --> 01:46:36.238
Taking her from handgun to rifle, though, it's quite the acceleration.

01:46:36.598 --> 01:46:42.298
It's a big step, especially with the kickback, but Ellie says she has shot a rifle before, with BBs.

01:46:42.458 --> 01:46:43.258
What school?

01:46:43.258 --> 01:46:43.998
God damn.

01:46:44.338 --> 01:46:47.358
She used to shoot rats with BBs at the camp.

01:46:47.478 --> 01:46:48.058
Oh, got it.

01:46:48.838 --> 01:46:52.378
And Joel just goes, rats, BBs.

01:46:53.518 --> 01:46:55.678
Clearly not amused, but he's like, you know what?

01:46:55.778 --> 01:46:57.778
You want more responsibility, kiddo?

01:46:57.798 --> 01:46:58.538
Go for it.

01:46:58.958 --> 01:47:02.718
I mean, Luke Skywalker said the same thing, and he blew up the Death Star, so.

01:47:02.878 --> 01:47:03.698
There you go.

01:47:04.178 --> 01:47:11.918
As he leaves Ellie up on this landing to cover him with a rifle, he turns to her and he says, to be clear back there, it was me or him.

01:47:12.278 --> 01:47:15.618
He leaves, and to herself, Ellie just goes, you're welcome.

01:47:16.098 --> 01:47:18.418
That's the best she's gonna get for a thank you from him.

01:47:18.438 --> 01:47:22.178
Yeah, he's a single, sad man in a world with no therapy.

01:47:23.078 --> 01:47:24.658
He can't process these emotions.

01:47:24.838 --> 01:47:25.178
No.

01:47:25.618 --> 01:47:29.198
It's funny, he's not Irish, which he kind of acts Irish as fuck.

01:47:30.118 --> 01:47:34.698
This is a tenet of being Irish, of just bottling your emotions and never letting anyone in.

01:47:34.918 --> 01:47:35.318
Right.

01:47:36.278 --> 01:47:42.398
Joel navigates this fedra encampment of hunters, and out in the open, Ellie can cover him with her rifle, which is great.

01:47:43.138 --> 01:47:47.418
After the area is clear, Joel and Ellie reconvene together to get the fuck out of Pittsburgh.

01:47:47.518 --> 01:47:52.018
When they meet up, Joel hands a gun to Ellie and says, this is for emergencies only.

01:47:52.218 --> 01:47:53.878
But Ellie's like, I have a gun.

01:47:53.898 --> 01:47:55.178
She's got a gun.

01:47:55.818 --> 01:47:58.338
Now, within this area, there is a business park building.

01:47:58.838 --> 01:48:03.398
On the second floor, in a corner, there was a hunter-sniper trying to murder Joel.

01:48:03.938 --> 01:48:10.178
If you go up there, you can find a floor plan replica of the Dunder Mifflin Scranton branch.

01:48:10.478 --> 01:48:12.618
It's pretty great, actually, that they put that in.

01:48:12.898 --> 01:48:19.658
It is about 300 miles away from Scranton, but this has most of the entire office layout.

01:48:19.678 --> 01:48:20.858
You see Pam's desk.

01:48:21.218 --> 01:48:25.438
I found this on accident, and you were in the room, and I was like, Tom, I think I found it.

01:48:25.538 --> 01:48:31.218
Yeah, well, they'd heard about it being added to the PS5 version, but I really thought you'd have to go out of your way to find it.

01:48:31.238 --> 01:48:32.718
You really did just stumble on it.

01:48:32.758 --> 01:48:35.418
Yeah, I was just doing it in general, like, all right, let's check this room.

01:48:35.438 --> 01:48:37.738
Let's get all the fucking nuts and bolts here.

01:48:39.058 --> 01:48:40.058
You can't see anything.

01:48:40.078 --> 01:48:42.658
There's no other Easter eggs in there alluding to the office.

01:48:42.698 --> 01:48:47.478
I was hoping they'd have the painting of the building or something, maybe a bobblehead on the ground.

01:48:47.658 --> 01:48:52.158
Yeah, they had no other thing that really represented it as being from the office.

01:48:52.178 --> 01:48:53.458
Picture of Randall Park.

01:48:53.678 --> 01:48:58.198
Other than maybe the same person who designed the building in Scranton designed this one.

01:48:58.698 --> 01:49:04.778
It's just this Pennsylvania business park man running around throwing circly reception desks everywhere.

01:49:04.878 --> 01:49:09.378
Now, throughout the game, there are posters for a franchise called Dawn of the Wolf.

01:49:09.918 --> 01:49:18.078
Sarah had a poster for it in her bedroom at the beginning, and now here in Pittsburgh, you can find billboards and posters for it, and also across the nation.

01:49:18.098 --> 01:49:18.938
It's not just Pittsburgh.

01:49:19.198 --> 01:49:20.518
That's got to be so wild.

01:49:20.538 --> 01:49:25.038
You had a movie about to come out, and you were about to become a huge star, and the world ended.

01:49:25.858 --> 01:49:26.718
It's so wild.

01:49:27.218 --> 01:49:33.118
Now, here in Pittsburgh, Ellie and Joel can come on a billboard for Dawn of the Wolf 2, and Ellie can ask Joel about it.

01:49:33.438 --> 01:49:37.258
Joel did get dragged to see it, but doesn't tell Ellie that Sarah made him watch it.

01:49:37.278 --> 01:49:39.958
He's just kind of like, I got dragged to it.

01:49:40.178 --> 01:49:50.938
Now, I don't have a lot to back this up, aside from anecdotal evidence from Troy Baker, but Troy and Neil did film something in the world of Dawn of the Wolf that was supposed to be used in the game.

01:49:51.098 --> 01:49:51.598
Really?

01:49:51.598 --> 01:49:57.778
But they scrapped it because they said it was so bad, they couldn't show it publicly, which just makes me want to see it more.

01:49:57.798 --> 01:49:59.798
Right, anytime they say it was that bad.

01:49:59.958 --> 01:50:01.438
Yeah, you're like, oh, come on.

01:50:01.878 --> 01:50:07.878
And then in Last of Us Part 2, in The Stash of Porn, there is one called Dong of the Wolf.

01:50:08.058 --> 01:50:09.718
That's appropriate, the Rule 34.

01:50:09.818 --> 01:50:10.158
Yeah.

01:50:11.298 --> 01:50:15.538
So those are fun, and that is a bonus conversation you can have with Ellie.

01:50:15.558 --> 01:50:23.198
They're kind of little things you can unlock if you do specific things, but it's always kind of great when Ellie can ask Joel about the old world.

01:50:23.218 --> 01:50:29.158
I think that contrast and that relationship she has with this world she's never known is very interesting.

01:50:29.478 --> 01:50:30.018
I get you.

01:50:30.218 --> 01:50:35.838
Deeper in the depths of Pittsburgh, Joel and Ellie make their way into an abandoned apartment where Joel is jumped by a man.

01:50:36.418 --> 01:50:42.758
But this guy isn't a hunter, and as Joel gets the upper hand and starts beating the shit out of this dude, Ellie screams at him to stop.

01:50:43.058 --> 01:50:46.358
Joel looks up and sees a 13-year-old boy pointing a gun at him.

01:50:47.078 --> 01:50:50.218
The man he was kicking the shit out of says, Sam, it's okay.

01:50:50.778 --> 01:50:53.078
And this is where we meet Sam and Henry.

01:50:53.578 --> 01:50:55.638
I love Sam and Henry so much.

01:50:55.758 --> 01:50:58.378
I loved them in the TV show maybe even more.

01:50:58.838 --> 01:51:00.178
I think so, too.

01:51:00.198 --> 01:51:03.938
I have to admit, and I think Neil Druckmann feels the same way.

01:51:03.958 --> 01:51:14.238
So one of the big differences in the TV show is, one, they take Sam, which is the younger brother of the two, and they de-aged him from, I think he's like 13, 14 here in the game.

01:51:14.258 --> 01:51:14.898
Yeah, he's 13 here.

01:51:14.918 --> 01:51:17.358
I think he's about eight or nine in the TV show.

01:51:17.378 --> 01:51:17.578
Mm-hmm.

01:51:18.038 --> 01:51:19.378
And he's also deaf.

01:51:20.518 --> 01:51:25.478
And this was a change that co-showrunner Craig Mazin actually introduced.

01:51:25.878 --> 01:51:30.498
And as soon as Neil Druckmann heard it, he just goes, go fuck yourself.

01:51:32.378 --> 01:51:35.598
That is such a good fucking idea.

01:51:35.618 --> 01:51:38.118
I am so mad that I didn't have it myself.

01:51:38.958 --> 01:51:42.938
When you get so overjoyed by a decision, it makes you angry.

01:51:42.958 --> 01:51:44.558
That's such a good thing in the world.

01:51:44.718 --> 01:51:51.238
And especially considering what Naughty Dog specifically has done to make these games accessible.

01:51:51.778 --> 01:51:53.218
Yes, entirely.

01:51:53.238 --> 01:51:58.598
For people, especially that are deaf, for people that are blind, for just everybody to be able to play these games.

01:51:59.218 --> 01:52:03.538
And it's just he was so angry that that wasn't what they put into the game.

01:52:05.098 --> 01:52:06.058
Entirely.

01:52:06.178 --> 01:52:07.258
Oh, that's so funny.

01:52:07.438 --> 01:52:14.658
Here, Henry is played by Brandon Scott, who was on This Is Us on Dead to Me, which is such a great show, by the way.

01:52:15.098 --> 01:52:18.898
And he was in Uncharted 4, so he's part of the Naughty Dog squad now.

01:52:18.978 --> 01:52:19.678
Okay, nice.

01:52:19.978 --> 01:52:24.218
He's also the fourth performer cast for this role, the whole cast.

01:52:24.238 --> 01:52:26.838
So it was Ashley, Troy, Tess, then Henry.

01:52:26.918 --> 01:52:28.918
They cast in a weird order, I'll tell you that.

01:52:29.038 --> 01:52:30.158
I know, right?

01:52:30.858 --> 01:52:36.818
Well, they did envision Tess having a larger antagonist role, so it makes sense that they're like, all right, let's put some love into this.

01:52:37.338 --> 01:52:40.918
But Henry being the fourth person they really wanted to book in was interesting.

01:52:41.438 --> 01:52:45.898
Now, Sam and Henry are brothers, Henry being the older one that Joel just tried to kill.

01:52:46.098 --> 01:52:53.138
They've been holed up for a few days, and they were with a larger group who are also trying to get out of the city to get to the Fireflies out west.

01:52:53.438 --> 01:52:55.378
The rest of the group hasn't made it.

01:52:55.478 --> 01:52:58.398
They've passed, and those two are the only ones left.

01:52:58.838 --> 01:52:59.298
Damn.

01:52:59.498 --> 01:53:01.518
Sam and Ellie are around the same age.

01:53:01.738 --> 01:53:05.798
Henry is probably in his early to mid-20s, so there's a bit of an age gap between these brothers.

01:53:06.158 --> 01:53:09.478
Right, but he would just barely remember the old world.

01:53:09.878 --> 01:53:10.598
Barely.

01:53:10.658 --> 01:53:12.318
He'd probably have a lot from his parents.

01:53:12.338 --> 01:53:14.338
Now, this is from the performer.

01:53:14.358 --> 01:53:20.378
This is not from Neil, but Bryn Scott, who plays Henry, has discussed his backstory as Henry.

01:53:20.658 --> 01:53:29.018
Now, in his world, in his character work for Henry, Henry's mother was sexually assaulted, and that resulted in the birth of Sam.

01:53:29.158 --> 01:53:29.758
Oh, damn.

01:53:29.938 --> 01:53:34.838
So Sam is his half-younger brother, and because of this, Henry hated Sam.

01:53:34.878 --> 01:53:41.018
He saw Sam as a reminder of the pain, the horror, and the torture in this world that particularly women go through.

01:53:41.038 --> 01:53:41.998
Shit.

01:53:42.018 --> 01:53:43.578
Because it's a small family.

01:53:43.598 --> 01:53:46.058
This is a world where who you love is all that matters.

01:53:46.078 --> 01:53:49.538
Your family is all you have in this world entirely.

01:53:49.778 --> 01:53:52.718
So Sam became this beacon of like, fuck this kid.

01:53:53.558 --> 01:53:57.518
After their mom passed, Henry was going to leave Sam and just be like, you fucking figure it out.

01:53:57.518 --> 01:53:59.138
Just abandon the poor child.

01:53:59.158 --> 01:53:59.978
Abandon the child.

01:54:00.118 --> 01:54:06.618
And leave and just go live his life, go find a Firefly compound, not be held back by having to feed and protect this child.

01:54:06.838 --> 01:54:08.918
And when he tried to do it, he just couldn't.

01:54:08.998 --> 01:54:19.138
He still looked at him and was like, you're still half my mother and she wouldn't be proud of me if I left you, despite you just showing me her face and the pain that she went through.

01:54:19.158 --> 01:54:19.818
You know what I mean?

01:54:19.838 --> 01:54:21.298
Oh yeah, blood's still blood.

01:54:21.538 --> 01:54:25.258
Yeah, so that's all not in the game, to be clear.

01:54:25.278 --> 01:54:26.278
That is not brought up.

01:54:26.298 --> 01:54:27.978
That is not within there.

01:54:27.998 --> 01:54:29.738
But it is within the performer's lore.

01:54:29.758 --> 01:54:31.958
So I think we accept that as Cannon.

01:54:32.178 --> 01:54:37.678
I think you should because that's the thing that's going through his mind when he's creating the character, when he's developing it, and when he's performing it.

01:54:37.778 --> 01:54:38.698
Exactly, yes.

01:54:38.738 --> 01:54:46.158
So it's outside of Cannon, but it has been confirmed by the performer, which is so heartbreaking and wild.

01:54:46.178 --> 01:54:52.418
So they also have this kind of begrudging love and this kind of pained dynamic between the two.

01:54:52.598 --> 01:54:59.078
Now, it takes some convincing, but Ellie and Joel team up with Sam and Henry to navigate getting out of the city safely and together.

01:54:59.098 --> 01:55:02.778
I think it's partially because Joel and Henry are like, we have kids.

01:55:03.338 --> 01:55:04.538
We have to keep them safe.

01:55:04.778 --> 01:55:07.898
And two adults keeping eyes out are better than one adult keeping an eye out.

01:55:07.918 --> 01:55:08.398
Totally.

01:55:08.698 --> 01:55:11.658
They make a plan to get through one of the main checkpoint gates at night.

01:55:11.678 --> 01:55:13.718
So they bunker down and wait for nightfall.

01:55:13.938 --> 01:55:15.598
This run doesn't go great.

01:55:15.618 --> 01:55:18.098
And at one point near the bridge, they all get cornered.

01:55:18.638 --> 01:55:24.218
With guns blasting and their escape method falling apart, Henry and Sam say they're sorry, but they have to leave.

01:55:24.378 --> 01:55:25.118
They take off.

01:55:25.198 --> 01:55:30.778
Joel and Ellie are standing there still stranded in the corner while just being completely abandoned alone.

01:55:30.918 --> 01:55:32.818
Ellie is like, what the fuck?

01:55:33.618 --> 01:55:43.438
I mean, that's gotta be the hardest part about living in this world, is when you reach those moments of, I'm sorry, I have to run for my own life and leave you in danger.

01:55:43.758 --> 01:55:48.118
And Henry making this call as an executive decision as a caretaker for his brother as well.

01:55:48.218 --> 01:55:50.738
Yeah, Joel would not hesitate to make the same decision.

01:55:50.858 --> 01:55:51.618
Exactly.

01:55:51.658 --> 01:55:55.438
Even without Ellie being there, he would have done the same damn thing.

01:55:55.478 --> 01:55:57.798
Joel would have just done it recreationally.

01:55:58.078 --> 01:56:00.038
But Ellie is like, what the fuck?

01:56:00.118 --> 01:56:01.558
And Joel is like, get over here.

01:56:01.578 --> 01:56:02.378
He opens the door.

01:56:02.698 --> 01:56:09.238
Now they're in a bar trying to hide from all these hunters that are looking for them to take them apart and assort their authority.

01:56:09.858 --> 01:56:14.838
Now this bar that they walk into is the same bar that's in Uncharted 3.

01:56:15.058 --> 01:56:15.518
Really?

01:56:15.538 --> 01:56:22.358
This is a bar that is in London, canonically there, but the fans have decided that it's a chain, which is why it looks exactly the same.

01:56:22.378 --> 01:56:23.618
It has the same layout.

01:56:23.978 --> 01:56:27.118
Or they just reuse the same asset, so they didn't have to rebuild anything.

01:56:27.318 --> 01:56:28.598
Which makes it a chain.

01:56:28.618 --> 01:56:30.458
That's true.

01:56:30.658 --> 01:56:39.058
And it's called O'Sullivan's, Sully being Nathan Drake's guy in the chair partner for all his treasure running, so there's a little nod there.

01:56:39.138 --> 01:56:42.178
Okay, so it's like the Obi-Wan Club in Indiana Jones.

01:56:42.198 --> 01:56:42.558
Yeah.

01:56:43.018 --> 01:56:54.278
Now as a note, in Uncharted 3, there's a newspaper that says something along the lines of scientists are looking into a mysterious virus, which was a deep Easter egg at The Last of Us.

01:56:54.698 --> 01:56:55.498
That's pretty cool.

01:56:55.518 --> 01:57:00.538
Yeah, that's something that they don't really go too into depth about in the game itself.

01:57:01.098 --> 01:57:03.758
But the TV show goes into a bit more depth.

01:57:03.778 --> 01:57:08.078
It had to do with getting into the flower crop and stuff like that.

01:57:08.138 --> 01:57:10.818
And it was like a fresh batch of flower that just hit shelves.

01:57:10.838 --> 01:57:16.578
And so anybody who would actually use that flower is the reason why it got widespread right away.

01:57:16.618 --> 01:57:17.258
Totally.

01:57:17.278 --> 01:57:20.218
But I think it's just so funny that Uncharted 3 hints at it.

01:57:20.258 --> 01:57:23.518
And Uncharted 3 came out two years prior to The Last of Us.

01:57:24.138 --> 01:57:25.958
And it was actually supposed to be removed.

01:57:25.978 --> 01:57:27.298
I think a dev left it in as a lulz.

01:57:28.298 --> 01:57:33.338
And it went out and they were like, well, no one knows we're working on The Last of Us yet, so we'll see if they catch on.

01:57:34.018 --> 01:57:37.938
It's kind of like a Pixar easter egg for their next movie kind of thing.

01:57:37.958 --> 01:57:41.778
Yeah, where you see like a character from the next one hidden somewhere, or like a line.

01:57:41.858 --> 01:57:42.418
Yeah.

01:57:42.738 --> 01:57:46.238
It's very Pixar, which no one's ever said about The Last of Us.

01:57:47.758 --> 01:57:51.678
Now Joel and Ellie don't even have time to be mad at Sam and Henry for ditching them.

01:57:51.818 --> 01:57:53.298
The hunters are all over them.

01:57:53.318 --> 01:57:56.058
And they are like, Jesus Christ, we have to get the fuck out of Pittsburgh.

01:57:56.418 --> 01:57:57.058
This sucks.

01:57:57.518 --> 01:58:02.198
They get back to the bridge, but part of the bridge is completely destroyed and they can't run straight through.

01:58:02.498 --> 01:58:08.498
Now Ellie can't swim, which is why she has to be carried around and done all this shit like you talked about on the pallets with the water.

01:58:08.798 --> 01:58:12.838
But she says there's no time and just jumps into the raging river down below.

01:58:12.978 --> 01:58:15.318
Joel is like, Ellie, you can't swim.

01:58:15.718 --> 01:58:20.298
Dives in after her and they slosh around in these raging waters below the bridge.

01:58:20.718 --> 01:58:25.298
Joel swims up to Ellie to hold her head up above the water, and then everything goes black.

01:58:25.718 --> 01:58:26.298
Oh, shit.

01:58:26.638 --> 01:58:28.878
Joel wakes up on a beach and sees Sam.

01:58:29.198 --> 01:58:30.778
And Sam goes, Henry!

01:58:31.418 --> 01:58:33.458
Henry says, see, what did I tell you?

01:58:33.478 --> 01:58:34.318
We're fine!

01:58:34.618 --> 01:58:42.118
Sam spotted you, but before he can finish, Joel jumps up to hit him and shove him to the ground and then pulls a pistol on Henry.

01:58:42.378 --> 01:58:45.478
I mean, again, Joel would have done the same damn thing.

01:58:45.618 --> 01:58:48.318
And if you see a Henry in a video game, you have to love him.

01:58:48.338 --> 01:58:49.438
Leave my man alone.

01:58:49.458 --> 01:58:51.218
Always got to keep a Henry safe.

01:58:51.258 --> 01:58:54.878
I love Henry in Firewatch, which is canonical to this universe.

01:58:54.938 --> 01:58:56.738
I love Henry in Bendy and the Ink Machine.

01:58:56.978 --> 01:58:59.178
He's 60 years old and he's kicking ass.

01:58:59.518 --> 01:59:00.918
I love Henry in The Last of Us.

01:59:00.938 --> 01:59:03.778
He's just making shit work and making executive decisions.

01:59:03.798 --> 01:59:07.698
And poor Henry in Five Nights at Freddy's, he has the most tragic story of them all.

01:59:07.758 --> 01:59:09.638
I mean, out of this group, it's pretty bad.

01:59:10.958 --> 01:59:13.898
Although Henry Last of Us, still pretty tragic backstory.

01:59:14.218 --> 01:59:20.958
I just described some of the most horrific shit in the world to you, and you're like, yeah, but the guy with the pizza shop, man, that shit sucks.

01:59:21.018 --> 01:59:21.718
It's pretty bad.

01:59:22.678 --> 01:59:25.018
Henry says, I cannot put Sam in danger.

01:59:25.118 --> 01:59:25.818
We made a call.

01:59:25.938 --> 01:59:27.038
You'd make the same call.

01:59:27.298 --> 01:59:30.618
We still saved you from drowning, which is very matter of fact.

01:59:31.418 --> 01:59:33.658
Ellie says, it's true, Joel, they saved us.

01:59:33.858 --> 01:59:38.078
And the team is all back together, even if Henry keeps getting almost killed by Joel.

01:59:38.698 --> 01:59:40.378
Joel is just a rage machine.

01:59:40.478 --> 01:59:41.258
He is.

01:59:41.278 --> 01:59:42.098
That is valid.

01:59:42.178 --> 01:59:45.038
Yeah, he is just like zero to 60.

01:59:45.138 --> 01:59:45.638
Fully.

01:59:46.238 --> 01:59:47.498
Lots of rage issues here.

01:59:48.478 --> 01:59:55.738
They all start to navigate to a radio tower that Henry heard is full of supplies and stuff, and it's like a good stopping point for travelers.

01:59:56.078 --> 01:59:59.378
And he's like, hey, man, you're going to be so glad you didn't kill me.

02:00:00.098 --> 02:00:01.658
Joel's like, brr brr brr.

02:00:02.998 --> 02:00:07.858
They start navigating the beach and find a sewage plant that seems like the best way to get through to the main roads.

02:00:08.318 --> 02:00:09.558
It is disgusting.

02:00:09.838 --> 02:00:12.578
The serves are clearly once inhabited with an encampment.

02:00:12.618 --> 02:00:14.838
There's a lot of like kid stuff and drawings.

02:00:14.858 --> 02:00:17.138
There's like bunk beds, like fucking...

02:00:17.238 --> 02:00:25.758
I think it's some shit, like, tons of stuff, but there's no signs of people, which is bad, because it means they're not here anymore, but it means they probably are infected.

02:00:25.778 --> 02:00:27.198
Yeah, that's not a good sign.

02:00:27.518 --> 02:00:32.698
The group of four make it through puzzles of the sores and ends with them finally getting out near a small town.

02:00:33.158 --> 02:00:44.538
I don't want to get in the sores, because it kind of sucks and it's just a lot of puzzles, but there is a very interesting kind of, I didn't even want to say NPC, there's like a ghost of a character that we follow through the notes that we find, called Ish.

02:00:45.118 --> 02:00:54.918
Ish is a survivor who actually helps set up this encampment and brings in people from the neighboring town to kind of create this bunker within the sewers to all be safe from the infected.

02:00:55.418 --> 02:00:58.798
They call him Ish the hero and like Ish the savior and stuff.

02:00:58.818 --> 02:00:59.678
Like it's very sweet.

02:00:59.898 --> 02:01:02.798
Yeah, gamers really latched on to this side story.

02:01:02.998 --> 02:01:04.418
Yeah, it's really cool.

02:01:04.718 --> 02:01:20.818
Anyway, the group of four get out and they're again, they're on the outskirts of the small town and on the door that they exit from the sewer system, just on the wall where this door is, they come out, they turn around, and the wall is painted with the phrase, warning, infected inside, do not open.

02:01:21.038 --> 02:01:22.958
Fuck you, door.

02:01:23.618 --> 02:01:26.158
Why did they not put it on the other side of the building as well?

02:01:26.398 --> 02:01:28.398
That's where the infected were, Tom.

02:01:28.678 --> 02:01:32.078
In the fresh air, the four of them start making their way into the city.

02:01:32.238 --> 02:01:37.098
There's rows of abandoned houses and even some feral dogs around, which are very rare to see.

02:01:37.458 --> 02:01:39.358
Yeah, you haven't seen many animals at all.

02:01:39.578 --> 02:01:42.098
It's quiet for a bit until it's not.

02:01:42.138 --> 02:01:46.058
They go down a street and a hunter-snipers hold up in a house down the road.

02:01:46.898 --> 02:01:59.498
Joel sneaks through cars and houses, taking out more and more hunters who are on their fucking satellite office over here on this side of the bridge, and just takes more of them out so that the group can kind of move forward and get through this town.

02:01:59.878 --> 02:02:05.878
Joel is able to get all the way through, take out the sniper, make sure like, phew, okay, we got all those motherfuckers dead, we're good.

02:02:06.418 --> 02:02:10.138
But all the gunfire from the sniper did attract a horde of infected.

02:02:10.458 --> 02:02:13.978
More and more affected in just these dumb asses and their loud noises.

02:02:14.698 --> 02:02:28.218
So Joel is up there in the sniper's booth with the little sniper rifle, and Henry, Sam and Ellie go from hiding behind cars, waiting for Joel to quietly kill everyone, to running to Joel for their lives with Joel giving them cover from above.

02:02:28.778 --> 02:02:30.198
Oh, this sequence is great.

02:02:30.318 --> 02:02:31.418
It is very fun.

02:02:32.238 --> 02:02:40.778
The four meet up and make it out of the hunter infected and drenched area, leaving most of Pittsburgh behind and hoping to move across the country together and safely.

02:02:41.058 --> 02:02:49.558
The team holds up in an abandoned house and Joel ends up telling Henry a story about he and his brother Tommy wrote Harleys across the country together.

02:02:49.818 --> 02:02:54.058
And the scene is actually improv by Troy Baker to build out his backstory with Tommy.

02:02:54.278 --> 02:02:54.678
Really?

02:02:54.698 --> 02:02:56.858
That they went and had like a full-blown like-

02:02:57.098 --> 02:02:57.858
Brother trip?

02:02:57.878 --> 02:03:01.938
Brother trip across the country, like Easy Rider style and shit, just-

02:03:02.078 --> 02:03:03.458
Are they gonna say wild hogs?

02:03:03.538 --> 02:03:04.738
Oh, wild hogs, yeah.

02:03:05.318 --> 02:03:14.298
Actually the Joel and Tommy version would be more wild hogs than Easy Rider, but they think that they're being like Dennis Hopper and Easy Rider being cool, like Jack Nicholson shit.

02:03:14.398 --> 02:03:15.878
Babe, you are Tim Allen.

02:03:18.058 --> 02:03:18.878
And William H.

02:03:18.898 --> 02:03:19.378
Macy.

02:03:19.398 --> 02:03:21.178
Yeah, come on, babe.

02:03:21.358 --> 02:03:30.418
Ellie's overhearing all the boy talk, and she's like, I'm gonna go check on Sam, who's in another room taking stock of the food they have left, being like, oh, we're good on peaches.

02:03:30.798 --> 02:03:37.018
Sam is kind of melancholy in this room, and asks Ellie what she thinks happens when people start to turn.

02:03:37.378 --> 02:03:41.238
If they're still in there, or if they're entirely gone.

02:03:41.818 --> 02:03:46.118
Henry was told that once you turn, you're gone, and somewhere else, like in heaven or something.

02:03:46.518 --> 02:03:49.958
Ellie says she'd like to believe in that, but she goes back and forth.

02:03:50.998 --> 02:03:55.978
Ellie says she's tired and turns to leave to go to sleep, leaving Sam alone in the room with his peaches.

02:03:56.498 --> 02:04:01.438
The next morning, Joel and Henry are cooking up some breakfast, and they're saying, oh, we let Sam sleep in for once.

02:04:01.718 --> 02:04:02.618
It's been a good day.

02:04:02.758 --> 02:04:04.258
What could possibly go wrong?

02:04:04.638 --> 02:04:09.898
Ellie goes to wake him up for breakfast, and from the other room, Joel and Henry hear a scream.

02:04:11.078 --> 02:04:14.998
Sam, fully infected, lunges and attacks Ellie.

02:04:15.278 --> 02:04:20.658
Joel runs to grab his gun, but Henry already has his and shoots at Joel, warning him not to shoot his brother.

02:04:21.318 --> 02:04:23.198
Henry says, that's my little brother.

02:04:23.938 --> 02:04:27.878
Joel looks at Ellie being attacked and says, screw it, lunges again for his gun.

02:04:28.378 --> 02:04:31.478
Henry pulls the trigger again, this time killing Sam.

02:04:32.058 --> 02:04:32.278
Oh.

02:04:33.058 --> 02:04:35.638
He bursts into tears, saying that's his brother.

02:04:35.998 --> 02:04:37.338
He says, it's all Joel's fault.

02:04:38.078 --> 02:04:44.298
Joel says, it's no one's fault and tries to calm him down and to get the gun out of his hands, but it's too late.

02:04:45.078 --> 02:04:48.118
The next bullet fired is Henry's, and it's into his own head.

02:04:48.418 --> 02:04:50.518
The summer ends with Henry and Sam.

02:04:50.918 --> 02:05:07.478
Oh, this scene is so powerful and so important in terms of like the development of the rest of the series, too, because what Joel has just witnessed was a man who dedicated his entire life to keeping somebody else alive and keeping them safe.

02:05:08.418 --> 02:05:10.338
And then he watched them lose that person.

02:05:10.498 --> 02:05:15.998
And like to Joel, now he has dedicated his life to keeping somebody safe.

02:05:16.278 --> 02:05:19.818
And if he loses that person, he will surely lose himself.

02:05:19.958 --> 02:05:23.718
Yeah, like there's nothing left if Ellie's not there.

02:05:23.838 --> 02:05:27.598
Yeah, and this is the first time he's really seeing that.

02:05:28.058 --> 02:05:29.958
Right, oh, it's so fucked.

02:05:30.558 --> 02:05:31.798
It's all just so fucked.

02:05:31.938 --> 02:05:32.378
Yeah.

02:05:32.998 --> 02:05:34.678
It just breaks my heart every time.

02:05:34.698 --> 02:05:39.818
And I think before I played this game and we did the episode, this did make me really emotional.

02:05:39.838 --> 02:05:42.798
Because I was like, wait, why are they killing everyone?

02:05:42.818 --> 02:05:46.738
You're like, you don't understand what's happening in this game if you're surprised by all the death.

02:05:46.898 --> 02:05:50.618
Yeah, I mean, it's a struggle to see a child die.

02:05:51.038 --> 02:05:55.338
And like the fact that Henry's reaction to it was really more to protect Ellie.

02:05:55.998 --> 02:05:58.878
Like he was watching another child about to get killed.

02:05:59.118 --> 02:06:04.078
And so he did what he had to do as a human being and stopped that child from getting killed.

02:06:04.098 --> 02:06:06.718
But in the process, killed his own brother.

02:06:06.858 --> 02:06:07.338
Right.

02:06:07.758 --> 02:06:15.258
And the weight of that decision is so fucking heavy and it carries through the rest of the series, I think.

02:06:15.358 --> 02:06:16.358
I absolutely agree.

02:06:16.378 --> 02:06:18.998
And it's also very well done in the show, which I'm gonna say a lot.

02:06:19.058 --> 02:06:21.278
Yeah, I mean, the show is damn near perfect.

02:06:21.298 --> 02:06:22.418
Show's very well done.

02:06:22.438 --> 02:06:26.458
Honest to God, the way they captured everything, I would just say more clickers would have been nice, but.

02:06:26.858 --> 02:06:33.558
Yeah, I really wanted to see more bloaters and shit, I'm already horrified at the Rat King we're gonna see in season two.

02:06:33.598 --> 02:06:34.258
Oh yeah, right.

02:06:34.278 --> 02:06:35.898
Maybe season three if they stretch it like.

02:06:36.238 --> 02:06:37.018
Super exciting.

02:06:37.978 --> 02:06:44.578
Fall 2033, on the outskirts of Jackson, Ellie and Joel walk through the rain towards where they think Tommy may be.

02:06:45.498 --> 02:06:53.198
Ellie asks what happened between Joel and Tommy, and Joel reveals that Tommy's last words to Joel were, I don't ever want to see your goddamn face again.

02:06:55.138 --> 02:06:56.418
So not something good.

02:06:56.938 --> 02:06:59.638
So they are not on good terms right now as brothers.

02:07:00.058 --> 02:07:01.838
No, they're having a bit of a tiff.

02:07:02.058 --> 02:07:06.718
They come up on a water power plant that takes river water's movement and turns it into electricity.

02:07:07.138 --> 02:07:10.898
No one, Joel and myself included, know exactly how it works.

02:07:12.638 --> 02:07:19.758
But coming up on the large opening of the gates of the water plant, Joel and Ellie figure they can get through to Jackson if they can make it through this plant.

02:07:19.898 --> 02:07:30.418
Jackson isn't where Tommy allegedly is, and Joel's really hopeful that he can find Tommy for help with the fireflies and Ellie, since Joel's never been a firefly, but Tommy went through a firefly phase, so hopefully.

02:07:30.438 --> 02:07:30.858
A phase.

02:07:31.298 --> 02:07:33.218
Yeah, he wore the jacket, you know.

02:07:33.298 --> 02:07:33.638
Right.

02:07:34.818 --> 02:07:37.278
At the gates, guns are pulled on Ellie and Joel.

02:07:37.598 --> 02:07:41.618
They put their hands up and they say, hey, we mean no harm, we're just traveling through.

02:07:41.738 --> 02:07:43.918
And the people guarding the gates say to drop their guns.

02:07:44.258 --> 02:07:46.238
Joel's like, yep, yep, put the guns down, it's fine.

02:07:46.338 --> 02:07:47.138
Ellie, drop your gun.

02:07:47.318 --> 02:07:49.778
A voice rings out and says, they're all right.

02:07:50.418 --> 02:07:52.818
This blonde woman at the top says, do you know them?

02:07:52.978 --> 02:07:55.358
The voice comes back again and says, I know him.

02:07:55.858 --> 02:07:57.298
That's my god damn brother.

02:07:57.398 --> 02:07:59.338
That's just such a cheesy, like.

02:08:00.518 --> 02:08:01.698
It's a pretty cheesy line.

02:08:01.718 --> 02:08:02.058
Yeah.

02:08:02.218 --> 02:08:05.938
The gates open and Tommy comes through and hugs Joel.

02:08:06.158 --> 02:08:07.618
Joel hugs him back.

02:08:08.038 --> 02:08:11.658
The blonde woman comes down and is like, oh damn, I'm glad I didn't shoot you.

02:08:11.758 --> 02:08:14.998
That'd be embarrassing considering you're my brother-in-law.

02:08:15.018 --> 02:08:18.378
Oh, like honestly, was this the first scene written?

02:08:18.418 --> 02:08:20.658
This one's a little ham fist, I'm not gonna lie.

02:08:20.698 --> 02:08:26.538
Yeah, this is like screenwriting 101 just dumping exposition onto you.

02:08:26.678 --> 02:08:29.598
Let me insert how I know you into a full sentence.

02:08:30.498 --> 02:08:31.758
Yeah, but you know what?

02:08:31.858 --> 02:08:34.278
If this is the weakest point in the script, I'm not that mad about it.

02:08:34.678 --> 02:08:36.218
And it probably is to be real.

02:08:36.238 --> 02:08:38.158
I can't think of a time that's weaker than this.

02:08:38.318 --> 02:08:40.598
And it was initiated by Dumbass Tommy, so.

02:08:40.798 --> 02:08:44.338
Tommy is not the smartest character we meet in the series.

02:08:44.358 --> 02:08:53.538
We elaborate on this in our episode on The Last of Us Part 2, but I think we do scream about Dumbass Tommy making dumbass decisions quite a bit in that one.

02:08:53.578 --> 02:08:53.898
Yeah.

02:08:54.038 --> 02:08:59.538
Now, the woman who almost shot Joel and Ellie is Maria, who runs the town of Jackson.

02:09:00.098 --> 02:09:03.938
Maria is played by Ashley Scott, who originally came in for tests.

02:09:04.178 --> 02:09:07.998
Now Maria is the baddest bitch in a game full of bad bitches.

02:09:08.198 --> 02:09:10.438
Do not let this dialogue fool you.

02:09:10.958 --> 02:09:11.558
Right, no.

02:09:11.578 --> 02:09:14.538
Maria is like the strongest of the strong women.

02:09:14.558 --> 02:09:18.698
Like we were saying before, the Miller boys need to find themselves with strong women.

02:09:18.898 --> 02:09:20.778
And I think Tommy found the strongest of them all.

02:09:20.998 --> 02:09:31.398
Absolutely, now Maria has organized a ton of survivors to create an encampment with hot water, electricity and community.

02:09:31.638 --> 02:09:34.078
Three things that do not happen in this world.

02:09:34.178 --> 02:09:34.578
Right.

02:09:35.018 --> 02:09:41.298
There is a ton of them up at the water power plant trying to get it up and running again so they can keep their community growing and moving.

02:09:41.318 --> 02:09:47.598
And they were using the power to have an electric fence to keep out both scavengers and infected.

02:09:47.618 --> 02:09:49.098
This is how great this community is.

02:09:49.118 --> 02:09:50.958
And they don't need fucking generators to do it.

02:09:51.138 --> 02:09:52.998
No, they can use the water.

02:09:53.118 --> 02:09:53.438
Yeah.

02:09:53.858 --> 02:09:54.518
It's genius.

02:09:54.538 --> 02:10:03.358
And you know, it's funny, we were talking about this earlier about how people would probably create encampments near areas where you can naturally find renewable energy.

02:10:03.378 --> 02:10:09.618
Like in California by Palm Springs, there's a big patch of, was it wind farms?

02:10:09.638 --> 02:10:09.858
Yeah.

02:10:09.878 --> 02:10:12.058
They're called wind farms where there's a bunch of windmills.

02:10:12.218 --> 02:10:13.318
Yeah, the big ass windmills.

02:10:13.338 --> 02:10:14.998
Yeah, where they generate a ton of power.

02:10:15.018 --> 02:10:18.498
Like we figured Palm Springs would be fine after the apocalypse.

02:10:18.638 --> 02:10:23.198
If you've played GTA V and gone out to Sandy Shores, you've seen the same exact wind farm.

02:10:23.378 --> 02:10:24.118
Right, yeah.

02:10:24.138 --> 02:10:26.298
Trevor would be completely fine in this world.

02:10:26.318 --> 02:10:27.878
Trevor can't be killed by anything.

02:10:27.898 --> 02:10:28.058
Right.

02:10:28.998 --> 02:10:31.238
The infection may start with Trevor, actually.

02:10:31.258 --> 02:10:32.198
Right, he started it.

02:10:32.238 --> 02:10:34.178
He's immune to all the cannibalism.

02:10:35.878 --> 02:10:38.118
Spoilers for GTA V.

02:10:39.118 --> 02:10:41.378
Also came out in 2013, I believe.

02:10:41.518 --> 02:10:46.498
But I know 2013 was a chef's kiss year for gaming.

02:10:46.518 --> 02:10:47.018
Really was.

02:10:47.658 --> 02:10:58.338
So anyway, Maria, brilliant creator, brilliant woman, runs an entire town of survivors and keeps people alive for fucking SMGs because she sure as shit didn't get paid for it.

02:10:58.738 --> 02:10:59.938
She's the coolest person ever.

02:11:00.458 --> 02:11:04.738
Maria invites Joel and Ellie in to feed them and let them get settled in a safe place.

02:11:04.978 --> 02:11:09.438
And Joel is frankly just bewildered to see Tommy after so long.

02:11:09.758 --> 02:11:10.898
It's been years, clearly.

02:11:11.478 --> 02:11:14.198
Ellie sees a horse and is like, oh, fuck yeah, I love horses.

02:11:15.018 --> 02:11:17.818
All the horses in The Last of Us are named by Neil's daughter.

02:11:18.058 --> 02:11:18.558
Oh, really?

02:11:18.578 --> 02:11:18.858
Yeah.

02:11:18.938 --> 02:11:19.818
That's kind of beautiful.

02:11:20.018 --> 02:11:26.718
Now, Tommy is played by Jeffrey Pearce, one of the few performers who came over from the game into the HBO series.

02:11:26.738 --> 02:11:31.978
There's like four or five performers who actually do make the jump because they're frankly so iconic.

02:11:31.998 --> 02:11:32.878
Like, how could you not?

02:11:32.978 --> 02:11:34.438
And it's just good Easter eggs.

02:11:35.198 --> 02:11:35.638
You know?

02:11:35.658 --> 02:11:37.798
And straight up, they're great performers.

02:11:37.818 --> 02:11:43.878
It's not like a voice actor who has a weird body or, which is a strange thing to say, I apologize.

02:11:43.898 --> 02:11:47.778
They're like, you know, who can't do the face acting the way they can do the vocal acting.

02:11:47.798 --> 02:11:49.538
These are all incredible performers.

02:11:49.738 --> 02:11:50.118
Yeah.

02:11:50.138 --> 02:11:54.238
And what was really cool about a lot of them is they got to play original characters.

02:11:54.338 --> 02:11:54.718
Yes.

02:11:54.738 --> 02:12:03.358
Many of them did, including Tommy's Jeffrey Pierce playing kind of the right hand in, oh God, is it Kansas City?

02:12:03.378 --> 02:12:07.158
So Kansas City replaced Pittsburgh in the TV series.

02:12:08.118 --> 02:12:16.098
And she was kind of after Sam and Henry in the TV series, but he played the right hand of the woman that was after Sam and Henry.

02:12:16.138 --> 02:12:16.558
Right.

02:12:17.358 --> 02:12:18.098
Big ass beard.

02:12:18.118 --> 02:12:19.958
If you remember the guy with the big ass beard and a gun.

02:12:20.058 --> 02:12:22.578
Oh, I literally have a note that says he has a glorious beard.

02:12:22.598 --> 02:12:22.898
Yeah.

02:12:23.558 --> 02:12:30.118
Now, Jeffrey Pierce originally auditioned for Joel, and he said he left the audition being like, I fucking nailed it.

02:12:30.878 --> 02:12:32.658
I left it all on the table.

02:12:32.678 --> 02:12:36.598
I could not have given a better delivery of that character.

02:12:37.658 --> 02:12:44.418
Ashley had already been cast, so he did come to read with Ashley as Joel, and he was just like, I don't know how I could not book this job.

02:12:45.558 --> 02:12:46.818
And then he didn't book the job.

02:12:47.218 --> 02:12:49.798
Two years after the audition, he got a call back.

02:12:49.978 --> 02:12:52.278
Oh, my God, can you imagine?

02:12:52.538 --> 02:12:54.618
No, I can never be an actor.

02:12:55.198 --> 02:12:58.798
I hate waiting three days after an interview if I didn't get the fucking job.

02:12:58.818 --> 02:13:03.218
Girl, I hate ordering things on overnight delivery and waiting the night.

02:13:03.318 --> 02:13:03.998
I can't.

02:13:04.978 --> 02:13:10.698
The patience performers must have just to get through the action of booking jobs is true hell.

02:13:10.758 --> 02:13:11.458
I could not.

02:13:11.898 --> 02:13:14.498
Like, at that point, you've forgotten you auditioned for that.

02:13:14.558 --> 02:13:14.998
Right?

02:13:15.778 --> 02:13:21.378
So anyway, two years after that audition, Neil calls and is like, do you want to play Tommy?

02:13:21.598 --> 02:13:22.358
Let's do Tommy.

02:13:22.378 --> 02:13:24.478
You can be the brother of the character you thought you nailed.

02:13:24.978 --> 02:13:29.598
Troy Baker, who plays Joel, said that they never auditioned anyone for Tommy.

02:13:30.058 --> 02:13:35.598
Neil just had Jeffrey Pierce on file and was like, yeah, I think he should play Tommy based on that Joel audition.

02:13:35.738 --> 02:13:37.098
Wow, just bookmarked him.

02:13:37.218 --> 02:13:39.798
Yeah, and just never had anyone else read for it.

02:13:40.278 --> 02:13:41.558
He's like, he's gettable, so.

02:13:42.798 --> 02:13:44.358
He could wait two years for this.

02:13:45.078 --> 02:13:51.918
When Troy and Jeffrey met, Neil introduced Jeffrey to Troy as the other guy who auditioned for Joel.

02:13:52.318 --> 02:13:55.218
Oh my God, pitting them against each other right out the gate.

02:13:55.638 --> 02:14:00.718
It's just such an awkward way to have these two meet and then try and build the brother bond.

02:14:01.018 --> 02:14:02.098
What the fuck?

02:14:02.238 --> 02:14:03.058
That's pretty funny.

02:14:03.598 --> 02:14:10.698
Upon working together, though, Jeffrey was like, Oh, no, I get Troy as Joel, for sure, fully get that, not even mad about it.

02:14:10.838 --> 02:14:11.998
That was much better casting.

02:14:12.018 --> 02:14:12.558
Good job, guys.

02:14:12.578 --> 02:14:19.238
Yeah, he was like, I did a great job, but I see Troy as Joel, and yeah, that's completely fair.

02:14:19.878 --> 02:14:27.418
So they've had kind of an interesting road with both the characters and each other, but they get along quite well now.

02:14:27.478 --> 02:14:36.898
I got a lot of my Easter eggs from Retro Replay, which was a show that is now defunct, but it had Nolan North and Troy Baker, two incredible performers playing video games together.

02:14:37.078 --> 02:14:38.998
And they would do a lot of their own games.

02:14:39.018 --> 02:14:51.538
So they did the Uncharted games, obviously did The Last of Us, and during The Last of Us run, they would bring in performers like Jeffrey Pearce came on and told that story, and he and Troy were laughing their asses off, being like, are you good?

02:14:51.558 --> 02:14:54.158
Do we have any beef?

02:14:54.678 --> 02:14:56.858
Should we go have a coffee and talk this out?

02:14:57.378 --> 02:14:58.658
They clearly get along great.

02:14:58.678 --> 02:15:00.078
There's nothing weird between them.

02:15:00.578 --> 02:15:07.578
They both seem absolutely lovely, but I think that's just such a wonderful story of him coming into being a Miller boy.

02:15:07.598 --> 02:15:10.478
It just sounds like they became such a family.

02:15:10.498 --> 02:15:12.258
It's so cliched to say, but they really did.

02:15:13.018 --> 02:15:13.478
Yeah.

02:15:13.798 --> 02:15:18.338
Now, Joel and Tommy walk off to connect while Maria takes Ellie to go get her fed.

02:15:18.358 --> 02:15:22.118
She's like, you look like you haven't eaten in days, and Ellie was like, I know!

02:15:22.138 --> 02:15:23.158
I haven't.

02:15:23.718 --> 02:15:26.458
But I'm going to pet this horse real quick because I'm a fucking horse girl.

02:15:27.318 --> 02:15:33.278
Now, Tommy says he went through their old house a little while ago in Austin, and he pulled something out for Joel.

02:15:33.358 --> 02:15:38.318
And he tries to give Joel a photo of Joel and Sarah at a soccer game that he salvaged.

02:15:39.118 --> 02:15:42.518
Joel looks down and says, I'm good, and denies the photo.

02:15:42.938 --> 02:15:43.338
Ouch.

02:15:43.798 --> 02:15:47.098
Which, holy shit, man.

02:15:47.098 --> 02:15:48.598
Talk about burying.

02:15:48.878 --> 02:15:49.518
Yeah.

02:15:49.778 --> 02:15:51.038
Tommy's like, what?

02:15:51.338 --> 02:15:51.798
Really?

02:15:52.558 --> 02:15:58.338
Anyway, they continue through this plant as Tommy has to oversee some of the operations as they catch up.

02:15:58.358 --> 02:16:04.518
He's like, we need to talk, but like, I need to make sure we're getting this plant running, otherwise, I can't get the fence on tonight.

02:16:04.538 --> 02:16:05.078
You know what I mean?

02:16:05.278 --> 02:16:05.598
Right.

02:16:05.618 --> 02:16:06.198
Priorities.

02:16:06.458 --> 02:16:07.698
You caught me at work, man.

02:16:08.938 --> 02:16:11.778
Tommy says the compound he has is incredible.

02:16:11.798 --> 02:16:15.238
There's food, clean water, that electric fence.

02:16:15.978 --> 02:16:17.858
It's just a great situation they have.

02:16:18.398 --> 02:16:24.058
And they even come up on a very good boy, a dog named Buckley, and they pet him.

02:16:24.078 --> 02:16:28.138
And Tommy says Buckley's not much of a guard dog, but he's a very good boy.

02:16:28.158 --> 02:16:29.298
Aw, Buckley.

02:16:29.578 --> 02:16:30.338
Joel agrees.

02:16:30.438 --> 02:16:32.138
Buckley is a very good boy.

02:16:32.158 --> 02:16:41.678
Neil Druckmann actually asked Troy Baker what the dog should be named, and Troy asked Neil if he could name the dog Buckley after his beloved dog who had recently passed.

02:16:41.818 --> 02:16:42.798
That's beautiful.

02:16:42.958 --> 02:16:50.098
So in the game, after Buckley's passing, Troy got to say goodbye to Buckley as Joel, and that's commemorated in this game.

02:16:50.278 --> 02:16:51.338
That's pretty beautiful.

02:16:51.618 --> 02:16:52.038
Right?

02:16:52.038 --> 02:16:59.898
And since you're talking about another animal, I want to talk real fast about something and that is the fact that there are no animals that get infected by this.

02:17:00.418 --> 02:17:10.338
Yeah, there were some original sketches of like an elephant that was infected and a couple other animals that had the virus, but at the end of the day, they were like, this is too much.

02:17:11.718 --> 02:17:16.938
And I think it's something that the TV show actually went on to explain better, again, than the video game did.

02:17:16.958 --> 02:17:21.038
And I guess it's just because we got to separate ourselves from Ellie and Joel in the TV series.

02:17:21.758 --> 02:17:29.878
And it's in the very first episode, when he talks about how the fungus can't survive inside of a human body because it will die before it hits 98.6 degrees.

02:17:30.018 --> 02:17:38.518
But through global warming, the fungus will evolve naturally to start to be able to resist that, and then can live inside of a human host.

02:17:39.318 --> 02:17:42.938
Animals tend to be a few degrees higher than humans even.

02:17:43.218 --> 02:17:48.698
So we are evolutionarily decades out from that ever affecting animals potentially.

02:17:48.818 --> 02:17:49.878
Most likely, yeah.

02:17:49.898 --> 02:17:55.318
But at the same time, I mean, like, in the show, they had that guy talking about it in the 60s, and then in the 1000s, it hits.

02:17:55.338 --> 02:18:04.418
So we're almost going to catch up to another 10 years in the game, but we also weren't producing all the bullshit that's causing the planet to warm up, so maybe they'd be okay.

02:18:04.658 --> 02:18:05.318
That's true.

02:18:05.678 --> 02:18:12.138
There's no more sweatshops pumping, like, burning plastic into the air and shit fucking up the ozone or whatever.

02:18:12.458 --> 02:18:13.958
But yeah, it had to do with global warming.

02:18:14.538 --> 02:18:15.158
Interesting.

02:18:15.498 --> 02:18:21.498
Now Joel and Tommy hole up in a separate room, and Tommy is like, All right, why'd you leave Boston and what's going on with the girl?

02:18:21.798 --> 02:18:29.338
Joel explains that the girl is immune to the virus, and he's seen her breathe spores that would kill a dozen men, and she is fine.

02:18:30.098 --> 02:18:31.758
Tommy's like, Sure.

02:18:31.918 --> 02:18:32.438
Okay.

02:18:32.798 --> 02:18:34.458
And it's kind of like, I'll bite.

02:18:34.538 --> 02:18:35.918
Tell me what the fuck, man.

02:18:36.938 --> 02:18:39.758
Joel says he's supposed to deliver her to the Fireflies.

02:18:40.318 --> 02:18:45.018
And you know what, Tommy, if you take her, you can take the entire payment.

02:18:45.138 --> 02:18:49.398
Tommy's like, Well, there hasn't been a Firefly out here in years.

02:18:49.858 --> 02:18:50.598
What the hell?

02:18:50.738 --> 02:18:52.178
Like, I have a family here.

02:18:52.178 --> 02:18:55.298
I can't just like up and leave to go see the Fireflies.

02:18:55.318 --> 02:18:56.618
Are you fucking kidding me?

02:18:57.158 --> 02:18:57.618
Yeah.

02:18:57.638 --> 02:18:58.918
He's like, that's my ex group.

02:18:58.938 --> 02:19:00.398
I'm not like with them anymore.

02:19:00.918 --> 02:19:02.458
I've got a pretty sweet deal here.

02:19:02.838 --> 02:19:05.178
Joel says, Look, I need this.

02:19:05.218 --> 02:19:07.898
And he starts to demand it out of his baby brother.

02:19:08.698 --> 02:19:11.978
Tommy says he's not going to take the girl off his hands.

02:19:12.138 --> 02:19:12.958
What the fuck?

02:19:13.378 --> 02:19:25.418
And then Joel dangles the fact that he kept Tommy alive for years in front of him, that he's bringing the cure for mankind to his feet and asking for help, and that Tommy's just being a pissy little brother.

02:19:25.998 --> 02:19:26.358
Really?

02:19:26.538 --> 02:19:27.658
He's the one being pissy?

02:19:28.258 --> 02:19:36.438
Now, this sweet moment of Joel demanding Tommy to finish his job that he took is cut short, as marauders come into the compound to attack.

02:19:36.698 --> 02:19:45.358
Which makes sense, because like these Jackson people, they are flush with supplies, food, resources, and some people are dicks.

02:19:45.498 --> 02:19:46.558
They're gonna come after you.

02:19:46.658 --> 02:19:50.558
But also, that's probably why the power plant shut down.

02:19:50.578 --> 02:19:54.418
They probably booby-trapped it and was like to draw them out so that way they could attack.

02:19:54.458 --> 02:19:55.338
Yeah, that's fair.

02:19:55.358 --> 02:19:57.078
I mean, it's not fair, but I get you.

02:19:57.138 --> 02:19:58.238
That's what happened, probably.

02:19:58.558 --> 02:20:03.598
Tommy asks Joel if he still remembers how to kill people, and the boys get to work taking out the invaders.

02:20:03.938 --> 02:20:06.738
Which is also such a snarky thing, like, you remember how to kill people?

02:20:06.758 --> 02:20:08.518
Like, how the fuck you think I got here?

02:20:08.738 --> 02:20:10.558
I got here from Boston, bitch.

02:20:10.578 --> 02:20:12.138
Like, yes, I'm fine.

02:20:12.718 --> 02:20:14.538
Right, a third of the way across the country.

02:20:14.798 --> 02:20:19.538
After the shootout, Tommy and Joel come up on Maria and Ellie, who are staying safe in a separate room.

02:20:19.958 --> 02:20:22.138
Tommy tells Maria he needs to talk to her.

02:20:22.458 --> 02:20:26.538
In the next scene, we see Maria screaming, absolutely not at Tommy.

02:20:28.098 --> 02:20:33.298
Ellie puts together that Joel asked Tommy for help moving Ellie across the country to the Fireflies.

02:20:34.158 --> 02:20:41.538
Maria is screaming that she's not going to be a widow or risk getting infected or losing him, but eventually walks away and says, fine.

02:20:41.878 --> 02:20:46.038
She comes up to Joel and starts screaming that if anything happens to Tommy, it's on Joel.

02:20:46.978 --> 02:20:51.658
Which is true, to be real, because here's the thing about Maria too.

02:20:51.798 --> 02:20:58.838
And like, you know, as we heard first was that Tommy, the last time he saw Joel said, I never want to fucking see you again.

02:20:58.858 --> 02:20:59.158
Yeah.

02:21:01.038 --> 02:21:02.378
And then he saw him again.

02:21:02.558 --> 02:21:06.978
And so you can imagine Maria has not heard the greatest stories about Joel.

02:21:07.058 --> 02:21:07.498
True.

02:21:07.518 --> 02:21:10.018
The pillow talk about, hey, where are you from?

02:21:10.038 --> 02:21:11.698
He's probably like, my brother kind of sucks.

02:21:11.878 --> 02:21:22.158
And this isn't the nicest thing to say about Joel, and people might push back on it, but Joel is a combination of two of the most dangerous things, and that is dumb and stubborn.

02:21:23.718 --> 02:21:25.118
And Maria knows that.

02:21:25.218 --> 02:21:25.598
Yeah.

02:21:27.478 --> 02:21:29.278
She's like, I'm married to your brother.

02:21:29.598 --> 02:21:31.918
I know how dumb and stubborn your family can get.

02:21:31.958 --> 02:21:34.678
And from everything I heard, you're worse than Tommy.

02:21:34.698 --> 02:21:35.018
Yeah.

02:21:35.598 --> 02:21:39.618
So Maria just really kind of lays into Joel for this.

02:21:39.638 --> 02:21:46.838
And there's a lot of times, actually, in the TV show where Pedro Pascal would come to Neil Druckmann and be like, I don't know if Joel would really react this way.

02:21:46.858 --> 02:21:49.638
And he would have to say, I hate telling you this.

02:21:50.058 --> 02:21:51.638
Joel's just not that smart.

02:21:51.738 --> 02:21:53.358
Oh, Neil said that?

02:21:53.378 --> 02:21:53.678
Yeah.

02:21:55.238 --> 02:21:59.698
And you would just have to explain like, I'm sorry, but Joel's just not that smart.

02:21:59.758 --> 02:22:02.598
I know you want him to be, but he's just not that smart.

02:22:02.618 --> 02:22:04.798
I know Pedro is, but Joel isn't.

02:22:04.818 --> 02:22:05.138
Yeah.

02:22:05.318 --> 02:22:08.058
You'd have to explain that every once in a while about things.

02:22:08.098 --> 02:22:10.418
And like, that's the thing that Maria sees.

02:22:10.418 --> 02:22:15.938
She sees that he is dumb and stubborn, and that is a very, very dangerous combination.

02:22:16.078 --> 02:22:24.218
Yeah, because Maria, in contrast, incredibly level-headed, calculated, balanced, knows how to be a leader without hurting others.

02:22:24.698 --> 02:22:26.238
Joel has none of that.

02:22:28.518 --> 02:22:29.458
Oh, my God.

02:22:29.698 --> 02:22:36.058
Yeah, I never thought about the complexity of Maria's personal connection and being like, I know he's a dumbass.

02:22:36.078 --> 02:22:37.398
Don't do this.

02:22:38.098 --> 02:22:42.998
Joel is hearing all of this and just gets so annoyed with everyone and is like, I fucking hate everything.

02:22:43.058 --> 02:22:43.758
I'm 50.

02:22:44.078 --> 02:22:45.158
I'm exhausted.

02:22:45.298 --> 02:22:46.758
I'm just asking for help.

02:22:46.958 --> 02:22:52.898
And then Tommy gets told that Ellie has taken one of the camp's horses and run away off campus.

02:22:53.118 --> 02:22:55.118
Tommy and Joel are like, God damn it.

02:22:56.358 --> 02:22:58.118
And grab horses to go after her.

02:22:58.478 --> 02:23:03.498
While they're out looking for Ellie, they get ambushed again by marauders and have to continue to shoot their way out.

02:23:03.518 --> 02:23:06.498
So these motherfuckers were like, out to get the Jackson team.

02:23:07.338 --> 02:23:11.598
Tommy spots the horse that was missing and it's parked outside of this gorgeous ranch house.

02:23:12.018 --> 02:23:15.638
Joel goes in and finds Ellie in what used to be a little girl's room.

02:23:16.078 --> 02:23:18.458
Tommy is like, I'm gonna stay out of this one.

02:23:18.938 --> 02:23:22.838
Ellie is reading a diary and says, is this all they had to worry about?

02:23:23.098 --> 02:23:25.138
Boys and skirts and shit?

02:23:25.218 --> 02:23:27.098
Joel is like, get up, we have to go.

02:23:27.738 --> 02:23:29.958
She says, well, what if I say no?

02:23:30.258 --> 02:23:34.058
Joel is like, look, you're immune, let's go fucking save humanity.

02:23:34.078 --> 02:23:35.278
This is more important.

02:23:35.678 --> 02:23:38.718
Also, Tommy knows this area and we need to move you.

02:23:38.738 --> 02:23:39.918
He knows the Fireflies.

02:23:39.938 --> 02:23:41.178
I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

02:23:41.478 --> 02:23:43.738
Ellie confronts Joel and says, what are you afraid of?

02:23:44.598 --> 02:23:47.738
She tells him, you need to admit that you always wanted to get rid of me.

02:23:49.318 --> 02:23:52.178
Ellie breaks a little bit and she goes, I'm not Sarah.

02:23:52.418 --> 02:23:56.678
That everyone she's ever cared for has left or died.

02:23:57.458 --> 02:23:59.398
Everyone except for you, Joel.

02:24:00.098 --> 02:24:00.838
She shoves him.

02:24:01.058 --> 02:24:03.858
That if she left with Tommy, she'd just be more scared.

02:24:04.138 --> 02:24:06.298
Joel is stoic and says, you're right.

02:24:06.798 --> 02:24:09.098
You're not my daughter and I'm not your dad.

02:24:09.818 --> 02:24:11.978
And that at the end of this, they're going their separate ways.

02:24:11.998 --> 02:24:14.838
Oof, that is so brutal to say to her.

02:24:14.858 --> 02:24:17.238
This is one of Troy Baker's favorite scenes.

02:24:17.318 --> 02:24:19.178
It's an important scene, honestly.

02:24:19.358 --> 02:24:23.718
And like Craig Mazin even said for the TV show, they needed to do it identical to the game.

02:24:23.738 --> 02:24:25.598
There's nothing they should change about it.

02:24:25.718 --> 02:24:27.798
It was so incredible.

02:24:27.818 --> 02:24:31.938
And there's a part actually where she's yelling at Joel and Ellie shoves him.

02:24:32.818 --> 02:24:38.558
And apparently they had been taking that day, and they were doing that scene over and over and over again.

02:24:38.578 --> 02:24:41.718
And finally, after the 30th take, they're like, can we just take a break?

02:24:42.238 --> 02:24:44.618
And then they came back and Ashley shoved him.

02:24:45.358 --> 02:24:46.858
And they're like, oh, that's the take.

02:24:46.858 --> 02:24:48.458
That was the only take she did it to.

02:24:48.458 --> 02:24:51.298
Yeah, it was the only time she shoved him was in the final take.

02:24:51.318 --> 02:24:54.438
And they're like, OK, that's the perfect way to do this.

02:24:54.438 --> 02:24:56.038
And then they were able to move on from there.

02:24:56.478 --> 02:24:59.138
It's when she says, everyone except for fucking you.

02:24:59.278 --> 02:24:59.758
Yeah.

02:24:59.938 --> 02:25:07.618
Just to emphasize, like, why am I constantly abandoned and you keep trying to do this to me and you're the only person I feel safe with anymore?

02:25:07.638 --> 02:25:08.778
Like, fuck you, man.

02:25:08.838 --> 02:25:09.338
Yeah.

02:25:09.358 --> 02:25:16.138
And then like the grammar police on that even like rang inside Neil's head about where she dropped the fucking in that sentence.

02:25:16.158 --> 02:25:22.798
But he's like, no, she's a little girl and her brain is just moving so quickly that it just dropped it in the middle of the wrong place.

02:25:22.818 --> 02:25:24.158
It is perfect.

02:25:25.638 --> 02:25:28.518
Oh, no, I've heard Ashley and Troy tell that story as well.

02:25:28.538 --> 02:25:34.378
And it's just, I feel like it was so, it affected them so heavily to experience that together.

02:25:34.398 --> 02:25:38.118
They were like, oh, this is one of the make or breaks of their relationship.

02:25:38.138 --> 02:25:38.858
This is beautiful.

02:25:38.978 --> 02:25:39.398
Fully.

02:25:39.418 --> 02:25:42.778
Yeah, I think that's also why Troy loves this scene so much.

02:25:42.798 --> 02:25:44.898
He's like, holy shit, this is acting.

02:25:45.018 --> 02:25:47.038
Yeah, it was a personal moment for them too.

02:25:47.238 --> 02:25:47.638
Yeah.

02:25:48.378 --> 02:25:53.638
Now, Tommy interrupts this beautiful moment by saying that marauders are in the house and to get ready.

02:25:53.958 --> 02:26:04.158
Ellie kind of nods, takes this, and just starts to squat down near the boys, having to take this role of quietly following them through, again, because that's all she has right now.

02:26:04.418 --> 02:26:10.878
Tommy and Joel shoot their way out, and the three of them, Tommy, Joel, and Ellie, start to ride back to Jackson, each on a horse.

02:26:11.758 --> 02:26:15.918
Just outside of town, Joel stops them and asks Tommy where the fireflies are.

02:26:16.418 --> 02:26:21.218
Tommy says, the University of Eastern Colorado, in a big building that looks like a mirror.

02:26:21.658 --> 02:26:26.218
Joel tells Ellie to get off her horse and return it to Tommy, because he's not going to take two horses with him.

02:26:26.298 --> 02:26:27.158
That's just greedy.

02:26:28.018 --> 02:26:30.898
Ellie does so, and then gets on the back of Joel's horse.

02:26:31.958 --> 02:26:35.298
Tommy is like, are you sure you don't want to swing by town for supplies?

02:26:35.318 --> 02:26:37.818
Like, I can get you a sandwich or fucking something.

02:26:37.838 --> 02:26:38.898
Like, please?

02:26:39.118 --> 02:26:39.598
Bullets?

02:26:40.078 --> 02:26:43.098
They have no idea how nice Jackson actually is, though.

02:26:43.578 --> 02:26:45.818
Jackson is such a beautiful town.

02:26:46.118 --> 02:26:49.838
And they really wanted to do a scene in Jackson, but the money just wasn't there.

02:26:50.538 --> 02:26:53.718
Joel tells Tommy, he's afraid of that wife of yours.

02:26:54.678 --> 02:26:55.598
Rightfully so.

02:26:55.618 --> 02:26:56.858
And he needs to go do this.

02:26:57.378 --> 02:27:00.898
Tommy promises him that there will always be a place in Jackson for him.

02:27:01.158 --> 02:27:09.218
Ellie, relieved and feeling safe again, rides on the back of Joel's horse off together towards Colorado to the Fireflies.

02:27:09.638 --> 02:27:13.338
It's fascinating how many times Joel has to accept this mission that he took.

02:27:13.998 --> 02:27:17.578
Yeah, he adopted it from a previous...

02:27:17.738 --> 02:27:24.918
It's like when someone gets fired and you have to take on their work, Tess gets killed and he has to absorb her workload.

02:27:25.358 --> 02:27:34.758
Yeah, and he keeps trying to offload it onto other people or just somewhere else, and he's just like, this fucking goalpost just keeps getting pushed further and further away.

02:27:34.838 --> 02:27:35.898
Further west, too.

02:27:36.838 --> 02:27:41.578
It's just turning into like, okay, now we're going to Colorado, and we're going to go further than that.

02:27:41.598 --> 02:27:42.918
We're not done with the game yet.

02:27:42.918 --> 02:27:44.658
So it's a whole ass thing.

02:27:44.678 --> 02:27:46.618
But now Ellie is like, he heard me.

02:27:47.258 --> 02:27:48.758
He's doing this for me now.

02:27:50.358 --> 02:27:52.658
We did build on this relationship because now we're in the fall.

02:27:52.678 --> 02:27:53.938
We started in the summer.

02:27:54.538 --> 02:27:56.098
We are a couple months in.

02:27:56.938 --> 02:28:00.938
At the campus of UEC, Joel and Ellie on horseback just chatting.

02:28:01.678 --> 02:28:04.738
Ellie's named the horse Callus, and Joel hates that name.

02:28:05.958 --> 02:28:09.778
The campus has some infected students who were bunkered down and still got bitten.

02:28:09.798 --> 02:28:11.738
But for the most part, the campus is deserted.

02:28:11.758 --> 02:28:14.278
So just, you know, some infected, nothing crazy.

02:28:14.518 --> 02:28:17.258
And another Henry from another game actually went to this school.

02:28:18.578 --> 02:28:19.418
Um, actually.

02:28:20.358 --> 02:28:27.698
He finds a Jack, a sweatshirt from University of Eastern Colorado in a lockbox within the map of Firewatch.

02:28:27.898 --> 02:28:28.998
Ah, so he didn't go there.

02:28:29.118 --> 02:28:30.798
No, it does not imply that he went there.

02:28:30.818 --> 02:28:33.178
I think it's implied he went to UC Boulder.

02:28:33.698 --> 02:28:39.378
Because his wife taught there, and I think he kind of went to school and then hung out and just became a townie in Boulder.

02:28:39.398 --> 02:28:43.038
I believe I can very well be wrong, but that's where I'm leaning.

02:28:43.058 --> 02:28:45.938
But um, actually, it does not confirm that he went to UEC.

02:28:45.938 --> 02:28:47.018
He just found the sweater.

02:28:47.098 --> 02:28:49.998
But the Firewatch universe is in The Last of Us universe.

02:28:50.018 --> 02:28:50.658
Correct.

02:28:50.678 --> 02:28:51.358
Based on this.

02:28:51.598 --> 02:29:02.838
And this universe should have Mike Trapp call me to be on Um, Actually, because it's all I dream about, and I love dropout TV, and I would do almost anything to be on Um, Actually, and eventually weasel my way into Game Changer.

02:29:03.438 --> 02:29:05.078
Everybody, this is called manifesting.

02:29:07.198 --> 02:29:08.238
Oh, I hope so.

02:29:08.258 --> 02:29:14.558
I just, I love this game so much, and I would love to just be a piece of shit about pedantic statements about it.

02:29:15.998 --> 02:29:17.338
Truly my calling.

02:29:17.718 --> 02:29:19.498
Anyway, there's a generator.

02:29:19.658 --> 02:29:21.178
I think there's a couple generators here.

02:29:21.198 --> 02:29:23.278
I believe there's two in this area of the map.

02:29:23.298 --> 02:29:24.518
Goddamn generators.

02:29:24.538 --> 02:29:25.438
I'm sorry.

02:29:25.458 --> 02:29:27.978
Our generator counts up to three or four here.

02:29:27.998 --> 02:29:31.718
Now, Joel and Ellie actually talk about what they wanted to be when they grew up.

02:29:32.018 --> 02:29:36.638
Ellie's like, you know, in the real world, you know, no cordyceps.

02:29:36.658 --> 02:29:38.378
I think I'd want to be an astronaut.

02:29:38.798 --> 02:29:40.038
That'd be fucking sick.

02:29:40.858 --> 02:29:43.398
And Joel's like, well, when I was a kid, I wanted to be a singer.

02:29:43.418 --> 02:29:46.238
And Ellie immediately is like, please sing for me.

02:29:46.518 --> 02:29:47.818
Please, please, please, please, please.

02:29:47.838 --> 02:29:49.818
And he's like, absolutely fucking not.

02:29:50.078 --> 02:29:51.578
Remember when I said Joel's dumb?

02:29:51.918 --> 02:29:52.298
Yes.

02:29:52.618 --> 02:29:55.298
He was 29 when this whole world fell apart.

02:29:55.778 --> 02:29:58.638
Did he really think he was going to become a rock star after that?

02:29:58.658 --> 02:30:00.218
Well, it was when he was a kid.

02:30:01.818 --> 02:30:04.218
He's like, well, when I was younger, I wanted to be a singer.

02:30:04.238 --> 02:30:05.158
That's fair.

02:30:05.438 --> 02:30:13.038
He's not 35 being like, what if I took up singing now that, like, I don't know, Kelly Clarkson's dead or a zombie fight?

02:30:13.058 --> 02:30:13.878
There's a hole there.

02:30:14.018 --> 02:30:19.458
Justin Bieber got bit, so now I can be Nathan Drake someday and sing my way into the Uncharted universe.

02:30:19.598 --> 02:30:20.738
Like, that's not a thing.

02:30:20.798 --> 02:30:26.218
I went to a Pearl Jam concert actually, like, the day before the outbreak, and I heard this great song.

02:30:26.498 --> 02:30:27.458
Nobody else has heard it.

02:30:27.458 --> 02:30:28.938
I can just claim that as my own.

02:30:31.438 --> 02:30:35.098
You've heard Neil talk about the future days sequence clearly.

02:30:36.318 --> 02:30:43.878
But it's actually kind of funny that you bring that up because these jobs are based on what Ashley Johnson and Troy Baker wanted to be when they were kids.

02:30:44.438 --> 02:30:48.698
She did say that she was a huge, like, astronaut fan and space fan and stuff.

02:30:48.858 --> 02:30:49.918
Astronaut fan.

02:30:50.178 --> 02:30:50.478
Yeah.

02:30:50.938 --> 02:30:54.258
Sorry, that's such a wild thing to say, to be like, Sally Ride forever!

02:30:54.418 --> 02:30:55.198
And she was.

02:30:55.218 --> 02:30:56.998
Oh, yeah, Sally Ride's the shit.

02:30:57.378 --> 02:31:02.558
But early in development, as Neil was kind of getting to know these performers, he was like, what did you guys want to be when you were kids?

02:31:02.578 --> 02:31:07.978
And he worked that into the game, kind of fill out their world and make it more of a buy-in, which is kind of cool.

02:31:07.998 --> 02:31:08.858
No, that's great.

02:31:08.878 --> 02:31:12.038
So many elements of the actors made their way into the characters.

02:31:12.078 --> 02:31:12.978
Oh, totally.

02:31:13.918 --> 02:31:17.338
Now, once you're in the right building, it kind of looks like no one's there.

02:31:17.918 --> 02:31:20.538
The building is quiet and the rooms are trashed.

02:31:21.038 --> 02:31:24.498
Ellie notes that they don't see any bodies, which is a good thing, though, right?

02:31:25.018 --> 02:31:26.278
But they do hear a crash.

02:31:26.958 --> 02:31:28.358
They are not alone.

02:31:28.618 --> 02:31:29.058
Oh, no.

02:31:29.458 --> 02:31:34.118
Joel investigates, gun in hand, and finds a pack of monkeys.

02:31:34.218 --> 02:31:35.458
Wild monkeys.

02:31:35.478 --> 02:31:37.618
Yeah, they've either escaped or invaded.

02:31:37.638 --> 02:31:41.198
It's kind of not clear where the monkeys came from, but it's very jarring.

02:31:41.438 --> 02:31:44.538
Turn into a bunch of monkeys, like it's goddamn Jumanji.

02:31:44.798 --> 02:31:50.658
Yeah, the implication being that they were, like, out of college, so that means they were being experimented on, probably.

02:31:50.838 --> 02:31:51.678
20 years ago?

02:31:51.818 --> 02:31:52.878
Yeah, 20 years ago.

02:31:52.898 --> 02:31:57.518
And then they just, you know, escaped their prisons and then re-multiplied and took over the area.

02:31:57.558 --> 02:32:01.798
Yeah, Ellie's like, well, maybe during all that research, they turned into fucking monkeys.

02:32:03.358 --> 02:32:04.858
Which I just, I love that as a line.

02:32:06.098 --> 02:32:10.538
They investigate a bit further and find one rotting corpse in a firefly jacket.

02:32:10.778 --> 02:32:15.758
Next to him is a voice recorder, which says, if you're looking for the fireflies, they've all left.

02:32:16.178 --> 02:32:21.198
It's his last words, his last testament, which Joel fast forwards through, because fuck that shit.

02:32:21.798 --> 02:32:26.018
But he does say that the rest of the fireflies have left for Salt Lake City.

02:32:26.458 --> 02:32:29.918
As they're like, oh, god damn it, that's so far away.

02:32:30.298 --> 02:32:35.678
Something gets thrown through the window, and now they know for sure it's not just the monkeys here.

02:32:36.318 --> 02:32:41.058
There's looters in the building looking for supplies, and they begin to attack Joel and Ellie.

02:32:41.298 --> 02:32:42.238
Goodness gracious.

02:32:42.578 --> 02:32:49.698
Joel and Ellie scuffle with some of the looters, but one shoves Joel off of the ledge, and Joel becomes impaled on a loose pipe.

02:32:50.558 --> 02:32:54.038
Oh, yeah, it's like rebar or something sticking up out of the ground.

02:32:54.058 --> 02:32:55.898
It's right through his stomach.

02:32:55.918 --> 02:32:56.958
It's so gnarly.

02:32:56.978 --> 02:32:59.138
Did you watch this when I just played through this the other night?

02:32:59.938 --> 02:33:02.538
I didn't realize how thick that pipe is.

02:33:02.558 --> 02:33:10.338
It's probably three and a half inches across, which may not sound like a lot, but it's a lot when it goes through your back, guts, and then out your stomach.

02:33:10.358 --> 02:33:12.498
He is fully impaled through the guts.

02:33:12.538 --> 02:33:13.698
Yeah, it's pretty...

02:33:14.018 --> 02:33:15.178
Oh, it's so gross.

02:33:15.678 --> 02:33:30.778
And it's very hard to play, because as Joel, you can't focus, even if you're like, I'm gonna shoot and aim, the game won't let you, which is also very difficult when you hit that wall of you can't work the same way you want to, which is also the pain of being in pain, you know?

02:33:30.798 --> 02:33:31.058
Right.

02:33:31.398 --> 02:33:37.338
Ugh, it's so bad, and Ellie gets to him, she pulls him up, but he is, like I said, all kinds of fucked up.

02:33:37.918 --> 02:33:43.718
He is clutching the blood pouring out of him as Ellie brings him towards the horse to try and get them the fuck out of here.

02:33:44.018 --> 02:33:46.258
The shit is not safe if they're getting jumped.

02:33:46.618 --> 02:33:51.618
Joel collapses as Ellie shoots her way out of the campus and drags him to safety.

02:33:52.478 --> 02:33:58.858
Ellie is able to get Joel up on the horse, and they ride off and away from the campus, leaving a trail of blood behind.

02:33:59.858 --> 02:34:04.718
Now between this section and what happens next is canonically The Last of Us Left Behind DLC.

02:34:05.218 --> 02:34:29.578
So on The Last of Us Left Behind DLC episode that we cover on our Patreon, I also cover the American Dreams comics which Neil Druckmann wrote and published prior to the launch of this game that kind of gives Ellie her backstory and how she met Riley, how she got infected, all this wild shit that kind of leads up and goes along with Left Behind, which is also the story of how Ellie got infected.

02:34:29.778 --> 02:34:32.038
They do an incredible episode of this on HBO.

02:34:32.458 --> 02:34:34.518
Take a fucking shot every time I say that, I guess.

02:34:34.538 --> 02:34:35.638
Yeah, no, I know.

02:34:35.658 --> 02:34:47.238
And it's also what's fascinating is part of that comic that he was writing, we had talked about in our Patreon episode how there is this image of a pregnant woman on a comic book panel.

02:34:47.818 --> 02:34:51.438
And that was supposed to be Ellie's mom, and there was this whole story that never got told.

02:34:51.898 --> 02:34:53.218
Yes, oh, I know what you're talking about.

02:34:53.258 --> 02:34:56.418
It's in Uncharted 4 in Nathan Drake's daughter's room.

02:34:56.438 --> 02:35:02.258
There's a poster called American Dreams with a pregnant woman with a gas mask on, and it's clearly in The Last of Us universe.

02:35:02.558 --> 02:35:03.938
Okay, so there's that whole thing.

02:35:03.958 --> 02:35:12.838
So they actually told that story, though, in the TV series, which is, again, the biggest difference between the TV show and the video game.

02:35:13.298 --> 02:35:17.238
They actually tell you why Ellie's immune.

02:35:17.498 --> 02:35:20.478
Yes, and that is alluded to in the game.

02:35:20.498 --> 02:35:23.698
There is a note from Ellie's mom that you can find in Ellie's backpack.

02:35:24.278 --> 02:35:29.938
I believe it's coming up in this section here where Joel re-encounters her backpack after she's separated from it, which I will not get into yet.

02:35:30.258 --> 02:35:43.818
But that note from Anna, who is definitively Ellie's mom, that's confirmed by Marlene, and Ellie obviously with this note, says, you know, you've been born for two minutes and you're already the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

02:35:43.838 --> 02:35:48.558
And it goes on and it implies that she's been bitten and she doesn't have much time left.

02:35:48.878 --> 02:35:49.218
Right.

02:35:49.478 --> 02:35:55.238
So that is the only implication we have is that Ellie's mom wrote her a letter as she was dying.

02:35:55.278 --> 02:35:56.678
Perhaps she was infected.

02:35:56.678 --> 02:35:57.918
It is not clearly stated.

02:35:58.198 --> 02:36:03.858
And then that story is extrapolated on in the show to be like, here's clearly everything that happened.

02:36:04.018 --> 02:36:07.558
Ellie's mom was bitten as she was in fucking labor.

02:36:07.858 --> 02:36:09.258
Can you imagine?

02:36:09.438 --> 02:36:11.098
First of all, labor with no epidural.

02:36:11.158 --> 02:36:11.618
Right.

02:36:11.698 --> 02:36:12.478
Second of all.

02:36:13.098 --> 02:36:18.598
She was running from infected while in physical labor giving birth.

02:36:19.598 --> 02:36:25.458
Managed to kill the infected, but she did get bit and she severed that umbilical cord right away.

02:36:25.978 --> 02:36:32.938
And so it's just in that moment, she got just enough of the virus in her to cause like an immune...

02:36:32.958 --> 02:36:34.218
It's literally a vaccine.

02:36:34.778 --> 02:36:36.058
Like that's how vaccines work.

02:36:36.078 --> 02:36:39.598
It was just enough that her body was able to fight it off for the rest of her life.

02:36:39.618 --> 02:36:41.158
It was a DIY vaccine.

02:36:41.338 --> 02:36:47.358
And so that is the reason canonically why Ellie is immune to this entire thing.

02:36:47.578 --> 02:36:47.938
Right.

02:36:49.338 --> 02:36:51.158
They just don't give you enough in the games.

02:36:51.618 --> 02:36:54.198
And Ashley Johnson got to play the mother of Ellie.

02:36:54.418 --> 02:36:56.238
Because she is the mother of Ellie, baby.

02:36:56.418 --> 02:36:57.098
Exactly.

02:36:57.118 --> 02:37:03.538
And so many different ways like we've been talking about where it's just parts of her real life are also making their way into the game.

02:37:03.778 --> 02:37:04.358
I love it.

02:37:04.438 --> 02:37:05.318
It's so good.

02:37:05.598 --> 02:37:10.498
But now, as Joel is almost dead, we have winter 2033.

02:37:10.818 --> 02:37:13.158
It's snowy and cold and alone in the mountains.

02:37:13.898 --> 02:37:21.178
We see a cute, fluffy rabbit come out of the snow and mind its business when an arrow slices through it, killing it.

02:37:22.218 --> 02:37:25.678
Ellie walks over, picks it up, and says, this won't last very long.

02:37:25.798 --> 02:37:27.058
And she ties it to her horse.

02:37:27.538 --> 02:37:29.758
She then sees a deer and chases after it.

02:37:29.838 --> 02:37:32.738
And now, for the first time, we play as Ellie.

02:37:33.158 --> 02:37:36.758
Ellie draws her bow and starts to follow this deer, and she manages to shoot it.

02:37:37.258 --> 02:37:41.298
But it's not fatal, and she follows the trail of blood in the snow to find her deer.

02:37:41.538 --> 02:37:43.598
This deer runs for so damn long.

02:37:43.678 --> 02:37:46.658
At one point, she's literally like, how are you still alive?

02:37:47.418 --> 02:37:50.098
Chasing this fucking dying deer through the forest.

02:37:50.118 --> 02:37:52.138
Who's just bleeding out profusely?

02:37:52.158 --> 02:37:54.818
Like, you literally follow the trail of blood to find this deer.

02:37:54.858 --> 02:37:57.078
Gallons of blood this thing lost.

02:37:57.378 --> 02:37:58.558
It's so ridiculous.

02:37:58.798 --> 02:38:02.618
Ellie comes up on a cabin that's decrepit, falling apart, missing walls.

02:38:02.918 --> 02:38:04.658
But it looks like the deer went through here.

02:38:05.118 --> 02:38:10.618
Ellie starts to get nervous, saying, this isn't creepy at all, as she navigates to find her deer.

02:38:11.138 --> 02:38:17.718
This cabin leads to more cabins, so it's kind of a little mountain area, and she finally sees her dead deer in the snow.

02:38:18.098 --> 02:38:21.698
She goes up to it, bow at the ruddy, but then here's footsteps behind her.

02:38:22.098 --> 02:38:23.738
Ellie whips around and says, come out!

02:38:24.298 --> 02:38:25.878
And out come two men.

02:38:26.638 --> 02:38:28.878
One is David, and the one with him is James.

02:38:29.418 --> 02:38:35.538
They introduce themselves and say they're from a nearby camp with lots of women and lots of children who are very hungry.

02:38:36.478 --> 02:38:38.878
Ellie says she's from a camp with lots of people too.

02:38:39.298 --> 02:38:43.718
They ask if she'd be down to trade something for the food, anything, they have lots of resources.

02:38:44.158 --> 02:38:46.418
Ellie says, medicine, I need antibiotics.

02:38:47.778 --> 02:38:53.818
They ask if she can come with them to get it, and she immediately says, no, I'm not going to a second location with you, fuck that.

02:38:53.838 --> 02:38:54.438
Damn right.

02:38:54.938 --> 02:38:56.578
David says, it's okay.

02:38:56.878 --> 02:39:02.458
And Ellie tells James to go get the meds and come back alone, and she and David will watch the deer.

02:39:02.638 --> 02:39:06.818
And if David tries fucking anything, she'll put one between his eyes.

02:39:07.098 --> 02:39:12.798
David agrees and tells James to run off, get some penicillin, and he'll stay here with the deer and the girl.

02:39:13.318 --> 02:39:18.358
Now, David is played by the BAFTA Award-winning Nolan North.

02:39:20.018 --> 02:39:21.798
He is an icon.

02:39:21.958 --> 02:39:23.558
And he vanishes into this role.

02:39:23.578 --> 02:39:25.578
He doesn't sound like Nathan Drake.

02:39:25.598 --> 02:39:27.618
He doesn't sound like any of his other characters.

02:39:27.638 --> 02:39:28.678
Doesn't even sound like himself.

02:39:28.898 --> 02:39:29.638
Oh, I know.

02:39:29.658 --> 02:39:30.398
And that was the point.

02:39:30.418 --> 02:39:32.338
Neil wanted him to disappear in this role.

02:39:32.418 --> 02:39:35.438
Well, yeah, yeah, you don't want Nathan Drake playing this character.

02:39:35.598 --> 02:39:40.618
Yeah, so Nolan North based his David voice on David Strahan from LA Confidential.

02:39:40.678 --> 02:39:47.538
He's in some of the Bourne movies due to his kind eyes and this like soft spoken authority he had, you know?

02:39:47.558 --> 02:39:50.058
Yeah, the soft spokenness of David.

02:39:50.258 --> 02:39:51.218
It's so creepy.

02:39:52.058 --> 02:39:57.998
And buddy boy James, David's right hand man, is played in the HBO series by Troy Baker.

02:39:58.198 --> 02:39:58.858
He is.

02:39:58.878 --> 02:40:01.638
That's where he got to come in and play a character.

02:40:01.658 --> 02:40:02.458
Which is fun.

02:40:02.738 --> 02:40:11.098
Prior to the release of The Last of Us Part 1, Geoff Keighley was interviewing the game director, Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann, the creative director.

02:40:11.518 --> 02:40:14.238
And he, you know, they're from the Naughty Dog world.

02:40:14.258 --> 02:40:15.418
They're from the Uncharted universe.

02:40:15.818 --> 02:40:20.118
So Geoff jokingly said, ha ha, who's Nolan North playing?

02:40:20.378 --> 02:40:25.278
Bruce Straley got wildly defensive and is like, who told you?

02:40:27.638 --> 02:40:34.098
And he thought the secret of Nolan North's role was leaked when Geoff fully just made a fucking joke.

02:40:35.658 --> 02:40:39.618
And Neil credits this as like awkward, but one of the funniest fucking things.

02:40:40.438 --> 02:40:42.738
He's like, you just told me with your response.

02:40:42.878 --> 02:40:46.618
Yeah, he's like, bro, play it cool, dummy.

02:40:47.398 --> 02:40:50.858
Which like, this was a pre-Spider-Man, no way home world.

02:40:50.878 --> 02:40:52.878
We didn't know how to lie to the press yet.

02:40:53.038 --> 02:40:53.458
Right.

02:40:53.518 --> 02:41:01.098
Andrew Garfield hadn't played his big game of mafia with the press, you know, like we didn't get there, but I think that's so fucking funny.

02:41:01.178 --> 02:41:04.318
All he was thinking is like, who do I get to sue for breaking an NDA?

02:41:04.338 --> 02:41:06.058
Yeah, he's like, was it my assistant?

02:41:06.938 --> 02:41:08.218
Was it one of the bookers?

02:41:08.238 --> 02:41:11.298
Like did the booker who got us on here, like let it leak?

02:41:11.418 --> 02:41:12.338
Damn it, Dumois.

02:41:12.358 --> 02:41:15.118
Yeah, Dumois, but for Naughty Dog games.

02:41:15.498 --> 02:41:16.478
Can you imagine?

02:41:16.498 --> 02:41:17.758
It's just me following it.

02:41:17.918 --> 02:41:22.198
But yeah, Neil Druckmann, Juan and Nolan obviously, so they work together on a couple of Uncharted.

02:41:22.278 --> 02:41:24.458
Nolan North is just a great person from what I've heard.

02:41:24.518 --> 02:41:29.258
I've only heard good things about this person as a performer and as someone to work with.

02:41:29.338 --> 02:41:31.198
I mean, his nickname's Uncle Noly.

02:41:31.918 --> 02:41:33.858
Yeah, he just looks huggable.

02:41:33.878 --> 02:41:35.158
He's just a sweet man.

02:41:35.418 --> 02:41:40.658
There are no creepy stories about him, knock on wood, so far, but I think he's a good guy.

02:41:40.898 --> 02:41:41.718
That's what he gives.

02:41:41.958 --> 02:41:43.138
It seems like it so far.

02:41:43.338 --> 02:41:49.098
Neil was like, man, I just really want you to disappear into this role, so we're gonna keep everything under wraps.

02:41:49.098 --> 02:41:50.538
Don't tell people you're coming out.

02:41:50.758 --> 02:41:53.358
We're not gonna announce you in the cast.

02:41:53.378 --> 02:41:54.638
We're not bringing you out on press.

02:41:54.958 --> 02:41:55.698
It's a secret.

02:41:55.818 --> 02:42:01.518
Now, in the credits at the end of the game, Nolan actually gets the and Nolan North as David treatment.

02:42:01.538 --> 02:42:02.618
Damn, nice.

02:42:02.638 --> 02:42:03.278
Good for him.

02:42:03.298 --> 02:42:07.798
And Nolan North has said, this is one of the coolest credits he's ever gotten on any project.

02:42:08.038 --> 02:42:11.618
I mean, for some reason, getting the and is better than top build.

02:42:12.058 --> 02:42:15.858
It's so cool to be like, and by the way, you're right, that was Nolan North.

02:42:15.878 --> 02:42:17.038
Like, it's so cool.

02:42:17.798 --> 02:42:21.438
But I just, this performance is haunting.

02:42:22.498 --> 02:42:47.578
Particularly after, like, you know, he's Uncharted 3 had just come out previously, so it's three entries of Nathan Drake, this suave playboy hero who goes from 5'11 to 6'2 between a couple of the games, the Johnny Knoxville slash Brendan Fraser from The Mummy character, just lovable, laughable, livable, all that shit, to David, who is the creepiest motherfucker on earth.

02:42:47.658 --> 02:42:51.278
James runs off quickly to go get the meds, so David and Ellie are left alone.

02:42:51.758 --> 02:42:59.918
Ellie takes David's rifle and makes the move inside the cabins where Ellie, at gunpoint, tells David to carry the deer carcass in with them.

02:43:00.358 --> 02:43:02.678
And that deer is easily like 300 pounds.

02:43:02.698 --> 02:43:07.298
Oh, it's a full-sized male deer, like it's got antlers, so he has to drag it by the antlers.

02:43:08.378 --> 02:43:17.538
David makes a small fire and starts chatting Ellie up because he's like, well, we're gonna be here for a while, so let's kill some time, and Ellie's like, absolutely not, I would like to kill you.

02:43:17.898 --> 02:43:22.918
David is concerned about Ellie being on her own, but she says she doesn't like company.

02:43:23.318 --> 02:43:24.598
He's gentle with her.

02:43:24.958 --> 02:43:32.118
He says he can see she cares about whoever's hurt, and that obviously, you know, if she's willing to give up this whole deer for penicillin.

02:43:33.098 --> 02:43:35.218
He asks her name, but she doesn't tell him.

02:43:36.418 --> 02:43:39.738
While they sit and rest, a clicker comes in and runs at Ellie.

02:43:40.598 --> 02:43:44.698
As the clicker moves towards her, David pulls out his second gun and shoots the clicker down.

02:43:45.438 --> 02:43:47.318
Ellie goes, you have a second gun?

02:43:47.978 --> 02:43:49.158
But it's too late to argue.

02:43:49.258 --> 02:43:55.118
The cabin is being attacked by infected, pulling apart at the boards that are posted up on the windows to get in.

02:43:55.618 --> 02:43:58.678
Yeah, I mean, I can't blame David for that one to be real.

02:43:58.778 --> 02:44:06.558
Yeah, but it's also, I feel like Ellie picks us up from Joel, where someone shoots someone to save her, and she just has criticism for them.

02:44:07.858 --> 02:44:12.918
It's a little Joel being like, well, I'm glad I didn't get my head blown off by a goddamn kid.

02:44:12.938 --> 02:44:14.738
Thank you for saving my life.

02:44:15.058 --> 02:44:18.478
They start shooting as all these infected start coming in on them.

02:44:18.498 --> 02:44:24.178
And David's actually pretty impressed because he says that she's a better shot than he is, which is true.

02:44:24.298 --> 02:44:26.938
David is a useless fucking partner in these scenes.

02:44:27.158 --> 02:44:28.738
She can handle that fucking rifle.

02:44:29.158 --> 02:44:29.638
Oh, yeah.

02:44:29.738 --> 02:44:32.178
She's shot more than rats with BBs now.

02:44:32.358 --> 02:44:32.698
Yeah.

02:44:33.038 --> 02:44:39.018
Ellie tries really hard not to bond with this strange man and still goes out of her way not to say what her name is.

02:44:39.218 --> 02:44:39.558
Good.

02:44:40.058 --> 02:44:45.278
The hordes of infected come down on them in waves, and David says, screw it, we can't just stay here.

02:44:45.318 --> 02:44:46.398
Let's run to safety.

02:44:46.538 --> 02:44:53.318
He kicks his way deeper into one of the buildings, and David and Ellie leave the deer behind, running away from the infected, now working together.

02:44:54.458 --> 02:45:01.618
Ellie at least has a perma knife, which is, you know, good because she's always prepared in the apocalypse, unlike Joel.

02:45:02.058 --> 02:45:12.518
So she is able to really hold her own, even though because you start as Ellie here, you don't have the power-ups, you don't have the boosters, you don't have any of the equipment Joel had.

02:45:12.518 --> 02:45:15.318
So kind of start from scratch in this act of the game.

02:45:15.378 --> 02:45:17.998
And you're like a 14-year-old child on top of all of that.

02:45:18.018 --> 02:45:19.638
You are a 14-year-old child.

02:45:20.498 --> 02:45:26.718
Together, David and Ellie go up against countless infected runners and clickers, and even a few bloaters in this town.

02:45:26.738 --> 02:45:29.158
Like they actually, they go the fuck through it.

02:45:29.398 --> 02:45:30.718
No, they have an impressive battle.

02:45:31.478 --> 02:45:32.738
A couple battles.

02:45:32.858 --> 02:45:36.238
It's like three or four different set pieces they have to manage.

02:45:36.578 --> 02:45:39.518
The infected have a complete chokehold on this area.

02:45:39.778 --> 02:45:45.258
Once they get through these hordes, David calls out how quiet it is, and like, I think we got them all.

02:45:45.498 --> 02:45:46.098
They did it.

02:45:46.258 --> 02:45:50.138
David compliments Ellie on how well she did, and she is like, we got lucky.

02:45:51.118 --> 02:45:52.878
She's so Joel in this little moment.

02:45:53.078 --> 02:45:55.658
David says, no, no, it's not luck.

02:45:55.958 --> 02:45:59.478
Everything happens for a reason, and I can prove it to you.

02:46:00.018 --> 02:46:07.638
He tells her that the winter has been particularly cruel, and a few weeks back, he sent a group of men out to a nearby town to look for food.

02:46:08.178 --> 02:46:09.978
But only a few of them came back.

02:46:10.138 --> 02:46:16.198
They said that the others were slaughtered by a crazy man who was traveling with a little girl.

02:46:16.558 --> 02:46:20.518
He says, you see, everything happens for a reason.

02:46:20.538 --> 02:46:27.478
Oh, it's so fucked up, and it's so scary for her to start, like, kind of putting all the pieces together of his story.

02:46:27.718 --> 02:46:31.998
Of like, oh, I definitely shot a bunch of your dudes at the University of Eastern Colorado.

02:46:32.358 --> 02:46:35.678
Oh no, my past has come back to haunt me immediately.

02:46:36.058 --> 02:46:43.118
And like the heavy foreshadowing of a group of people who are angry at Joel for killing an innocent person.

02:46:43.998 --> 02:46:45.218
Just another survivor.

02:46:46.178 --> 02:46:49.178
Ellie moves fast and brings the rifle back up to point at David.

02:46:49.258 --> 02:46:52.078
David looks past her and says, James, lower the gun.

02:46:52.898 --> 02:46:55.618
James is behind Ellie with a pistol aimed at her head.

02:46:56.078 --> 02:46:57.918
David tells James to give her the medicine.

02:46:58.278 --> 02:47:03.758
Ellie carefully grabs the penicillin, tells James to get the fuck out of the way, and she backs up to leave.

02:47:04.018 --> 02:47:10.338
David says she won't last long and that he can protect her, but she says, no thanks, and runs off.

02:47:10.538 --> 02:47:16.418
She dashes out alone into the cold until she finds her horse and rides the fuck out of there before they can follow her.

02:47:16.938 --> 02:47:28.198
Yeah, it is so horrific to see her put it all together and to know that when James and David walked up on them, they were like, there's no way that's not the little girl that killed all these people that we sent out.

02:47:28.398 --> 02:47:35.218
Totally, but one of the things, I guess, if you don't want to know what happens in The Last of Us 2, skip forward about 45 seconds.

02:47:35.798 --> 02:47:43.338
But it is a preview of the shit and horror that Abby grew up listening to about Joel.

02:47:43.458 --> 02:47:43.998
Entirely.

02:47:44.418 --> 02:47:45.758
And experienced at the hands of Joel.

02:47:45.878 --> 02:47:52.498
Yeah, we witnessed this through this character of him saying like, there is a monster out there slaughtering my men.

02:47:52.518 --> 02:47:53.738
Traveling with a little girl.

02:47:54.178 --> 02:47:56.098
And Abby grew up with that same story.

02:47:56.218 --> 02:48:01.058
Entirely, and she saw it first hand when they had to carry the corpse of her father out.

02:48:01.198 --> 02:48:07.798
Yeah, I mean, that would dedicate a person to, you know, making sure that they are strong enough to never have to worry about that monster.

02:48:07.958 --> 02:48:08.958
Absolutely.

02:48:08.978 --> 02:48:10.918
He's literally the fucking Baba Yaga.

02:48:11.098 --> 02:48:12.458
Like, he's John Wick.

02:48:12.838 --> 02:48:17.458
Yeah, sorry, I'm not trying to tie too much to Last of Us 2, so let's go back without spoiling anything.

02:48:18.098 --> 02:48:24.118
Ellie rides back to the secluded house that she and Joel have been holed up in and brings the horse into the garage and shuts it.

02:48:24.918 --> 02:48:33.118
She knows she's personally killed David's men back at the Colorado campus and does not want to risk them getting a hold of her for vengeance, so let's close the horse in.

02:48:33.258 --> 02:48:37.798
Joel is laying on a mattress on the floor of the basement, barely alive.

02:48:37.978 --> 02:48:41.518
He's covered in blankets and Ellie talks to him, showing him the penicillin.

02:48:41.878 --> 02:48:48.578
She clearly gave him stitches where he was impaled because they're kind of janky and begins shooting penicillin directly into this wound.

02:48:48.798 --> 02:48:50.418
The fact that this works is beyond me.

02:48:50.718 --> 02:48:52.358
I don't really know how penicillin works.

02:48:52.378 --> 02:48:53.498
I'm not gonna knock him for it.

02:48:53.638 --> 02:48:55.178
Yeah, and neither does fucking Ellie.

02:48:55.198 --> 02:48:56.498
She doesn't know how much to give him.

02:48:56.518 --> 02:48:57.578
She doesn't know where to put it.

02:48:58.258 --> 02:49:04.898
Um, actually, in Ellie's backstory, it was said that in her military school, one of her jobs was to stitch up Fedra soldiers.

02:49:05.078 --> 02:49:05.498
Really?

02:49:05.498 --> 02:49:07.758
So she has had some medical training.

02:49:07.978 --> 02:49:11.778
Neil has confirmed this, but it's not in this project or in the DLC.

02:49:11.838 --> 02:49:16.158
It's kind of in this, like, loose board he has of Ellie shit.

02:49:16.178 --> 02:49:18.838
So she could kind of know what she's doing.

02:49:18.958 --> 02:49:20.698
Her character Bible says so.

02:49:20.718 --> 02:49:23.538
Yeah, even though it's not confirmed hard anywhere.

02:49:24.298 --> 02:49:28.878
He also said that he has a story for the scar that Ellie has across her eyebrow.

02:49:29.118 --> 02:49:29.498
Okay.

02:49:29.518 --> 02:49:33.378
And that it did happen prior to the events of Left Behind.

02:49:34.318 --> 02:49:41.938
So something horrible happened to her before she got bit, and she has this huge scar across her eye, which honestly looks really fucking ghoul.

02:49:42.138 --> 02:49:44.678
I was going to say, not all scars are for something horrifying.

02:49:44.738 --> 02:49:45.118
Yeah.

02:49:45.218 --> 02:49:49.958
What if she was, like, I don't know, jumping a fence and ripped her face open a little bit?

02:49:49.978 --> 02:49:50.278
Yeah.

02:49:50.438 --> 02:49:50.918
Who knows?

02:49:50.938 --> 02:49:52.538
She's a little scamp.

02:49:52.658 --> 02:49:57.798
So Ellie, I apologize to bring it back, Ellie does have some medical training that Neil Druckmann has confirmed.

02:49:58.458 --> 02:49:59.018
Good for her.

02:49:59.298 --> 02:50:03.818
As she shoots Joel loosely with penicillin that she found, he...

02:50:04.858 --> 02:50:05.438
Sorry.

02:50:05.498 --> 02:50:08.018
But also, you want to hear the irony of this.

02:50:08.598 --> 02:50:10.618
Penicillin comes from fungus.

02:50:11.098 --> 02:50:11.698
Oh, my God.

02:50:11.718 --> 02:50:12.318
Are you serious?

02:50:12.338 --> 02:50:12.718
Yes.

02:50:12.798 --> 02:50:14.158
Jesus Christ.

02:50:14.298 --> 02:50:19.218
Penicillin comes from fungus, and it's gonna save him when fungus destroy the fucking world.

02:50:19.638 --> 02:50:21.358
That's the worst thing I've ever heard.

02:50:23.358 --> 02:50:24.798
I love that irony.

02:50:24.818 --> 02:50:25.598
That is great.

02:50:25.678 --> 02:50:27.218
No, that is fantastic.

02:50:27.358 --> 02:50:37.918
As Ellie's pushing this fungus juice into Joel, which is the opposite of the entire fucking game, he does wince a little bit to show that he's alive, but honestly, he is barely alive.

02:50:38.138 --> 02:50:39.758
Oh, he's hanging on by a thread.

02:50:39.998 --> 02:50:44.298
Ellie tells him he's gonna make it, and then she falls asleep on the ground next to him.

02:50:44.698 --> 02:50:50.818
In the morning, Ellie gets up, and through the window, she sees David's men searching the houses on the block for her.

02:50:51.318 --> 02:50:54.338
They're like, I think we saw the horse go this way, let's fucking get her.

02:50:54.358 --> 02:50:56.118
Because obviously, vengeance.

02:50:56.338 --> 02:50:56.698
Yeah.

02:50:56.858 --> 02:51:01.378
She looks down at Joel, saying that she's gonna draw them away, and that she'll be back for him.

02:51:01.898 --> 02:51:03.238
He, like, barely nods.

02:51:03.258 --> 02:51:05.338
He is completely on his deathbed right now.

02:51:05.518 --> 02:51:11.478
Yeah, and that's something that Joel's gonna need to teach her in the future, is how to cover your tracks when you're being chased by somebody.

02:51:11.758 --> 02:51:14.778
Yeah, the snow is not particularly forgiving.

02:51:14.858 --> 02:51:16.638
No, especially when you're on horseback.

02:51:16.738 --> 02:51:17.638
Yeah, come on.

02:51:18.018 --> 02:51:21.598
Ellie sneaks out of the house quietly and hops on her horse to bring them away.

02:51:22.278 --> 02:51:25.418
As she starts leaving, one of the men grab her on the horse.

02:51:25.978 --> 02:51:32.638
Ellie stabs the guy in the neck, but David's men see her, and they're like, he wants her alive, but fuck it.

02:51:32.658 --> 02:51:36.358
And then they start shooting at her, because this bitch keeps killing their friends.

02:51:36.858 --> 02:51:38.178
And she's 14.

02:51:38.258 --> 02:51:38.798
Hell yeah.

02:51:39.618 --> 02:51:49.318
They leap from the ground onto her horse to try and pull her off while she's riding away, and she's screaming, and she's like, fuck you guys, and they're like, kill the child.

02:51:50.078 --> 02:51:55.678
And she's also trying to draw them just farther and farther away from the house that Joel is in, obviously, to keep him safe.

02:51:55.998 --> 02:52:02.938
One of David's men manages to shoot Calus the horse while she's riding him, and the horse dies, and she goes flying down a hill.

02:52:03.238 --> 02:52:05.158
Ugh, never the fucking horse.

02:52:05.258 --> 02:52:07.078
I know, it's fucked.

02:52:07.398 --> 02:52:10.958
Horses just do not have great fates in video games, I'm finding out.

02:52:11.238 --> 02:52:13.798
No, it's a bad world for a horse girl.

02:52:14.478 --> 02:52:20.118
Ellie lands and goes, oh shit, and then has to go full stealth to get away from all these motherfuckers.

02:52:20.818 --> 02:52:30.558
There's a bunch of cabins because it's clearly like a mountain resort near some water, maybe there's like a lake right there, and she can hide in and run through, and she's like, holy shit, I gotta get away from these people.

02:52:30.818 --> 02:52:33.798
And she starts edging closer towards a mountain resort.

02:52:33.998 --> 02:52:36.438
A mountain resort, like a ski resort?

02:52:37.038 --> 02:52:39.058
No, it's kind of like near a lake.

02:52:39.418 --> 02:52:43.258
There's not a ton of ski stuff, but I guess lodgey cabins and shit.

02:52:43.358 --> 02:52:44.998
Okay, maybe like a country club.

02:52:45.058 --> 02:52:46.858
Maybe a country club, yeah, I can see that.

02:52:47.738 --> 02:52:57.738
Ellie can hear David's men talking about her, that she's the girl from the university that killed so many men, that David wants her alive, but they personally are still very grouchy about all the murders.

02:52:57.778 --> 02:53:02.018
Okay, so from the university, so these are the raiders that came while they were in the university.

02:53:02.318 --> 02:53:07.398
Yeah, this is exactly the same people from Colorado that she thought they were, and she's like, god damn it!

02:53:08.638 --> 02:53:16.018
Ellie's got limited ammo and a bow and a knife, but in real life, Ashley Johnson is actually really good with a bow and arrow, so she'd be fine.

02:53:16.078 --> 02:53:17.758
Hell yeah, she's a regular Katniss Everdeen.

02:53:17.778 --> 02:53:25.378
Yeah, Ashley Johnson actually did like train in archery and became quite a skillful archer in anticipation of The Last of Us Part 2.

02:53:25.718 --> 02:53:26.338
Good for her.

02:53:26.358 --> 02:53:27.118
Hell yeah.

02:53:27.358 --> 02:53:30.818
I mean, the bow and arrow is like Ellie's classic weapon in my opinion.

02:53:31.118 --> 02:53:32.898
Oh yeah, and I love archery.

02:53:33.018 --> 02:53:39.438
I've done it a couple of times, but every time I've had a really good time and I have a little natural talent at it, not gonna lie.

02:53:39.598 --> 02:53:42.758
Well, I was saying this too when I was playing Ghost of Tsushima on our Twitch stream.

02:53:42.778 --> 02:53:47.138
I'm like, I love video games that you use a bow and arrow, except for Overwatch with Hanzo.

02:53:48.318 --> 02:53:49.218
Hanzo does suck.

02:53:49.238 --> 02:53:51.158
It's like not a fun character to play.

02:53:51.178 --> 02:53:51.578
Yeah.

02:53:51.738 --> 02:53:54.218
I'm just not good at him and I miss Scatter Arrow.

02:53:54.238 --> 02:53:55.638
Like if I got him in Mr.

02:53:55.658 --> 02:53:57.418
Hero, I'm like, well, I can do Scatter Arrow.

02:53:58.198 --> 02:54:00.338
It's kind of one trick, but like it is what it is.

02:54:00.638 --> 02:54:00.918
Right.

02:54:00.938 --> 02:54:05.078
I'm a Sombra and Torb main, so I guess I'm kind of a troll though.

02:54:05.178 --> 02:54:08.638
That's not a great character set that I have, but it's fine.

02:54:08.658 --> 02:54:09.298
Everything's fine.

02:54:09.658 --> 02:54:13.718
Ellie makes her way into a resort, and as she does, David jumps her.

02:54:14.018 --> 02:54:19.518
He puts his arm around her neck and tells her to calm down and tells her that he's saving her.

02:54:20.098 --> 02:54:21.858
Ellie passes out in his arms.

02:54:23.798 --> 02:54:28.378
You know, unless you are asking to be saved, there's no reason to save somebody.

02:54:28.998 --> 02:54:29.518
Right.

02:54:30.758 --> 02:54:32.558
Don't just say I'm saving you.

02:54:32.578 --> 02:54:33.598
That's not a good thing.

02:54:34.458 --> 02:54:41.378
Ellie wakes up in a cage and watches on as she sees a man cut the arm off of a corpse to prepare for dinner.

02:54:41.938 --> 02:54:46.198
I mean, we started in a cage, and now we are watching a human getting butchered.

02:54:46.538 --> 02:54:47.838
Yes, this is bad.

02:54:48.358 --> 02:54:49.758
It's as bad as it can get.

02:54:50.238 --> 02:54:52.898
Ellie is horrified and starts looking for a way out.

02:54:53.238 --> 02:54:58.218
David comes into the room with a tray of stew for her and slides it under the bars of the cage.

02:54:58.918 --> 02:55:01.778
He tells her she should eat and that he knows she's hungry.

02:55:02.138 --> 02:55:04.858
She asks what it's made of, and he tells her it's just deer.

02:55:05.598 --> 02:55:09.078
She asks if there's any human meat on the side, and he goes, it's just deer.

02:55:10.398 --> 02:55:15.678
She calls him a fucking animal and then starts eating, because it's true she hasn't eaten in a while.

02:55:15.778 --> 02:55:18.338
Yeah, she probably hasn't had meat in ages.

02:55:18.358 --> 02:55:18.758
Yeah.

02:55:19.178 --> 02:55:24.878
He tells Ellie they don't have a choice and that Ellie has killed to survive and they've done the same thing.

02:55:25.278 --> 02:55:26.598
Ellie's like, so now what?

02:55:26.618 --> 02:55:28.398
You gonna cut me up into tiny little pieces?

02:55:28.798 --> 02:55:32.418
David said he'd rather not, and then he asks for her name again.

02:55:32.798 --> 02:55:34.058
David's like, you know what?

02:55:34.078 --> 02:55:37.298
To be honest, everyone's really upset with you because of all the murders.

02:55:37.998 --> 02:55:42.978
You have to show to the peace people that you're good and convince them that they shouldn't kill you.

02:55:44.218 --> 02:55:50.278
He reaches over and calls Ellie special and puts his hand over hers on the bars of the cage.

02:55:50.818 --> 02:55:54.598
Ugh, and not, and like, anything other than a creepy way.

02:55:55.258 --> 02:55:58.578
Ellie meets his hand and breaks his thumb over the bars.

02:55:58.938 --> 02:55:59.958
Oh, it's so good!

02:55:59.978 --> 02:56:00.838
It's so good!

02:56:01.538 --> 02:56:09.298
She reaches for his keys while he's wincing in pain and he yanks back and drags her up on the bars to, like, pull her up and hurt her and get his thumb back.

02:56:09.478 --> 02:56:11.718
Oh yeah, no, he fucking hits her hard.

02:56:11.738 --> 02:56:14.798
Yeah, he tells her she's a stupid little girl.

02:56:15.458 --> 02:56:19.138
He, like, looks at his broken finger and he's like, what am I supposed to tell the others?

02:56:19.818 --> 02:56:26.578
Ellie says, Ellie, tell them Ellie is the little girl who broke your fucking finger.

02:56:26.598 --> 02:56:31.678
Oh my god, in every instance of this line, it is beautiful.

02:56:31.858 --> 02:56:33.938
It's the baddest bitch shit.

02:56:34.718 --> 02:56:36.318
Oh, and every delivery of it.

02:56:36.338 --> 02:56:40.678
I'm saying that just because in the show and in the game is fucking awesome.

02:56:40.698 --> 02:56:42.718
Oh, it's so gratifying.

02:56:42.738 --> 02:56:47.498
Both Ashley and Bella perform this scene in the perfect way.

02:56:47.758 --> 02:56:48.198
Facts.

02:56:48.618 --> 02:56:50.558
David says, how would you put it?

02:56:51.458 --> 02:56:52.518
Tiny little pieces?

02:56:53.298 --> 02:56:55.658
And he walks away to leave her there in the cage.

02:56:55.958 --> 02:56:56.938
Fucking haunting.

02:56:57.418 --> 02:56:58.518
Oh, it's so scary.

02:56:58.578 --> 02:57:05.738
And, you know, one of the big differences between the game and the HBO show is subtlety.

02:57:06.098 --> 02:57:06.398
Yeah.

02:57:06.418 --> 02:57:10.818
Now, you know, in the Bill parts, Bill's very gay.

02:57:10.838 --> 02:57:12.358
We hear a lot more about Bill's story.

02:57:12.378 --> 02:57:13.118
They're not as subtle.

02:57:13.138 --> 02:57:19.698
In the game, it is a little more subtle that Bill is queer and had a partner that they broke up, and there was some betrayal there or whatever.

02:57:20.218 --> 02:57:25.218
In this storyline, there is a David in the show, and he's very outwardly creepy.

02:57:25.498 --> 02:57:29.118
He, like, slaps a little girl, and that's our introduction, and it's not even Ellie.

02:57:29.138 --> 02:57:30.118
It's some other bitch.

02:57:30.198 --> 02:57:30.578
Right.

02:57:30.698 --> 02:57:37.038
And then he, like, clearly has some sort of fascination inappropriately with Ellie.

02:57:37.338 --> 02:57:37.738
Yeah.

02:57:37.778 --> 02:57:42.558
Well, the little girl that he slapped, her dad was killed by Joel in Colorado.

02:57:42.718 --> 02:57:43.038
Right.

02:57:43.058 --> 02:57:44.338
And then they were eating his body.

02:57:44.458 --> 02:57:44.898
Yes.

02:57:44.918 --> 02:57:48.198
They were eating his fucking body, and they just told everybody that it was venison.

02:57:49.298 --> 02:57:55.858
So in the show, Fat David is just really outwardly a creep and an asshole and so slimy.

02:57:55.978 --> 02:58:00.878
And Nolan North's David in the game is a little more subtle in how he's creepy.

02:58:00.898 --> 02:58:02.298
He's trying to be gentle.

02:58:02.318 --> 02:58:05.378
He's trying to sell Ellie on being like, I can keep you safe.

02:58:05.398 --> 02:58:06.498
I can keep you here.

02:58:06.878 --> 02:58:09.438
Where in the show, he's like, we can rule together.

02:58:10.858 --> 02:58:12.678
Which is such a fucking weird thing to do.

02:58:12.698 --> 02:58:19.478
But it just, the HBO show just amps it up a notch since you're not so internally intimate with these characters.

02:58:19.498 --> 02:58:20.058
You know what I mean?

02:58:20.178 --> 02:58:20.558
True.

02:58:20.858 --> 02:58:25.778
Across town, Joel wakes up alone in the house and he knows Ellie's been gone way too long.

02:58:26.758 --> 02:58:27.838
She must be in trouble.

02:58:28.298 --> 02:58:31.938
He moses up the strength, gears up, and is like, I have to go find her.

02:58:32.158 --> 02:58:35.378
But he's still not great because he was recently impaled.

02:58:35.938 --> 02:58:40.478
So he's stumbling out of the house and he's like, shit, she is gone and the horse is gone.

02:58:40.578 --> 02:58:41.798
Something horrible has happened.

02:58:41.818 --> 02:58:44.458
I mean, he's full of fungus juice now, so he is ready to go.

02:58:44.518 --> 02:58:47.558
Yeah, the fungus is protecting him in this one instance.

02:58:48.698 --> 02:58:55.878
Outside of the house, Joel runs into David's men who are still patrolling, looking for him specifically now that they have Ellie.

02:58:56.098 --> 02:59:02.298
David hasn't said shit about keeping Joel alive too, so they're like, we are looking forward to killing this dude to avenge our dead friends.

02:59:02.378 --> 02:59:03.658
Right, they don't need the old man.

02:59:03.818 --> 02:59:06.078
Yeah, they're like, that psychopath should die.

02:59:06.098 --> 02:59:07.018
You can convert a child.

02:59:07.778 --> 02:59:13.538
Yeah, Joel kills these fuckers and follows the same path of blood and bodies that Ellie has left for him.

02:59:13.918 --> 02:59:15.038
You know, like breadcrumbs.

02:59:16.178 --> 02:59:26.018
He's eventually jumped by the wrong two motherfuckers and takes them into a house, ties one to a chair, and starts wailing on the other one, beating him to a pulp.

02:59:26.378 --> 02:59:27.938
Joel goes up to the one in the chair.

02:59:28.078 --> 02:59:30.618
He says, the little girl, is she alive?

02:59:30.778 --> 02:59:32.818
The guy in the chair says he doesn't know a little girl.

02:59:33.298 --> 02:59:37.278
Joel takes out a knife and stabs him in the knee right under the kneecap.

02:59:37.778 --> 02:59:38.878
Oh my god.

02:59:39.278 --> 02:59:44.498
The guy suddenly remembers and says she's alive, that she's David's newest pet.

02:59:45.078 --> 02:59:45.558
Pet.

02:59:46.038 --> 02:59:50.058
It's disgusting that he says his newest pet, and that makes me so angry.

02:59:50.078 --> 02:59:53.038
Because the implication is that is not the first one he's had.

02:59:53.338 --> 02:59:58.138
Yeah, and the word pet does not imply a consensual relationship.

02:59:58.158 --> 02:59:58.458
No.

02:59:58.478 --> 03:00:00.958
Which is obviously more heightened in the show, like I said.

03:00:01.038 --> 03:00:01.398
Right.

03:00:01.878 --> 03:00:06.198
Joel brings up a map of the area and tells him to point at the spot on the map where Ellie is.

03:00:06.618 --> 03:00:09.298
And it better be the same place on the map the other guy points to.

03:00:10.038 --> 03:00:11.158
And then Joel kills him.

03:00:12.378 --> 03:00:14.518
Joel goes over the guy crumpled on the ground.

03:00:14.838 --> 03:00:16.498
He says the other guy told him what he needs.

03:00:17.178 --> 03:00:19.558
Joel says, I know, I trust that guy.

03:00:19.998 --> 03:00:21.618
And then he finishes the guy on the ground.

03:00:22.398 --> 03:00:23.798
Joel is so fucking brutal.

03:00:24.118 --> 03:00:30.118
So the guy in the chair is played by Nolan North, but they had to ADR his lines because it sounded too much like Nathan Drake.

03:00:30.238 --> 03:00:30.938
That's so great.

03:00:31.018 --> 03:00:33.138
Which is exactly what Neil didn't want.

03:00:33.158 --> 03:00:39.398
He didn't want Nathan Drake to show up in This World and be too like fourth wall breaking or anything for anyone.

03:00:40.018 --> 03:00:46.558
And it'd be too hard to see Joel Miller viciously murder Nathan Drake before Uncharted 4 comes out.

03:00:46.578 --> 03:00:49.238
That would be a little bit of a sour note for people, I think.

03:00:49.258 --> 03:00:51.258
Yeah, people wouldn't digest it well.

03:00:51.978 --> 03:00:57.198
It wouldn't go as well as Trevor killing the main character of another video game in Grand Theft Auto V.

03:00:57.238 --> 03:00:57.878
Oh, right.

03:00:58.078 --> 03:00:58.958
That's the opening.

03:00:59.118 --> 03:00:59.578
Yeah.

03:01:00.218 --> 03:01:09.438
At the campsite, Ellie is pulled out of her cage and being held down by David and James as they go to cut her into tiny little pieces.

03:01:10.698 --> 03:01:12.738
Ellie's like, stop, stop, I'm infected.

03:01:13.458 --> 03:01:14.658
David's like, what?

03:01:15.398 --> 03:01:19.038
Sees her bite mark, and then Ellie says, what'd you say?

03:01:19.358 --> 03:01:20.838
Everything happens for a reason.

03:01:23.378 --> 03:01:32.518
This scares the ever living shit out of David and James, and Ellie takes this opportunity to kick and take the knife they were gonna use to kill her and kill James.

03:01:33.018 --> 03:01:33.218
Ugh.

03:01:33.518 --> 03:01:34.658
It's so good, too.

03:01:34.678 --> 03:01:36.178
I mean, this is like a fucking hatchet.

03:01:37.218 --> 03:01:43.098
She's able to kind of cause enough commotion to run through a window and escape into the snowy, misty town.

03:01:43.918 --> 03:01:50.518
David's men are crawling the streets looking for Ellie immediately, who is like, god damn it, I fucking hate this place.

03:01:51.158 --> 03:01:56.358
And she starts stabbing a bunch of them and making her way towards a restaurant where she hides.

03:01:56.958 --> 03:02:02.938
It's wild, too, because while you're crawling around, you can hear the men be like, we need to fucking vote for leadership.

03:02:04.018 --> 03:02:09.438
You can hear them complaining about the localized economy and fucking council and shit.

03:02:09.458 --> 03:02:11.318
And they're like, David's not it, y'all.

03:02:11.338 --> 03:02:14.198
We need to have another fucking vote, because this sucks.

03:02:14.218 --> 03:02:15.918
He likes little kids a little too much.

03:02:15.978 --> 03:02:17.078
Yeah, this is weird.

03:02:17.498 --> 03:02:23.438
While she's in the restaurant, David follows her inside and lets it be known that now it's just the two of them again.

03:02:24.678 --> 03:02:29.878
Tells her he knows that she's not infected because no one that's infected fights this hard to stay alive.

03:02:31.098 --> 03:02:33.718
This part fucking sucks.

03:02:34.078 --> 03:02:36.078
Yeah, you were having a hard time with this one.

03:02:36.118 --> 03:02:36.918
It sucks.

03:02:37.338 --> 03:02:41.458
This restaurant has some open burners and a few small fires breaking out through it.

03:02:41.798 --> 03:02:48.298
But overall, the restaurant is dark and huge and has broken plates everywhere that make noise as Ellie sneaks around.

03:02:48.798 --> 03:02:51.758
There's so much broken fucking china on the ground.

03:02:51.998 --> 03:02:53.338
It's just an Applebee's.

03:02:53.418 --> 03:02:58.438
We're in a goddamn Applebee's and all the fucking shit on the walls has fallen over and it makes noise.

03:02:58.638 --> 03:03:00.598
And this section is really hard.

03:03:00.618 --> 03:03:05.638
Ellie has to stealth roll up on David, I think like three times to finally overtake him.

03:03:05.738 --> 03:03:06.138
Yeah.

03:03:06.298 --> 03:03:12.638
And David's AI is so much more heightened than the other AI and the enemies you encounter in this game.

03:03:12.658 --> 03:03:17.978
Like you can make the tiniest noise or he can catch you moving out of the corner of his eye and he sprints for you.

03:03:17.998 --> 03:03:18.398
Yeah.

03:03:18.758 --> 03:03:20.158
It fucking sucks.

03:03:20.398 --> 03:03:22.418
I had some trouble with this and I got frustrated.

03:03:22.438 --> 03:03:27.238
Then you were like, just strategically try something, and I did and it was fine, but whatever.

03:03:27.738 --> 03:03:35.518
The restaurant's fire rages on and fills the air with smoke as Ellie finally gets the final stealth roll up on him to overtake him.

03:03:36.038 --> 03:03:45.598
But once she does overtake him, he flips her over and they both hit their heads and collapse, both filling with smoke and passing out and just pain and passing out.

03:03:46.058 --> 03:03:51.258
As they get concussed in this smoke-filled Applebee's, Joel makes his way into David's town.

03:03:51.738 --> 03:03:58.718
He hears the men looking for the little girl, but no one knows Joel is there because he's killed everyone he's seen so far.

03:03:59.418 --> 03:04:08.078
Joel murders his way through whatever men haven't been murdered by Ellie yet and comes up on a burning restaurant and just instinctually knows that's where Ellie is.

03:04:08.718 --> 03:04:09.118
Yeah, right.

03:04:09.138 --> 03:04:11.038
He sees a fire and he's like, fucking Ellie.

03:04:11.058 --> 03:04:11.698
There's my girl.

03:04:12.838 --> 03:04:17.298
Ellie is passed out on the floor of the restaurant after David flung her around like a ragdoll.

03:04:18.058 --> 03:04:23.818
She has the wind knocked out of her, but opens her eyes and looks around and sees a machete just a few feet away.

03:04:24.738 --> 03:04:26.278
She starts crawling towards it.

03:04:26.378 --> 03:04:27.898
She has no energy left.

03:04:27.918 --> 03:04:29.118
She can't even get on her knees.

03:04:29.698 --> 03:04:32.758
She's completely exhausted and she groans while she moves.

03:04:33.478 --> 03:04:35.718
As she gets closer to it, David kicks her.

03:04:36.418 --> 03:04:37.658
He says, it's OK to give up.

03:04:38.058 --> 03:04:40.538
She doesn't respond, but she keeps crawling toward the knife.

03:04:40.758 --> 03:04:43.638
David says, guess not, it's not your style, is it?

03:04:43.958 --> 03:04:44.738
Kicks her again.

03:04:45.418 --> 03:04:47.198
He tells her she can try begging.

03:04:47.738 --> 03:04:48.998
She says, fuck you.

03:04:49.278 --> 03:04:53.178
David turns her over, gets on top of her, and starts choking her.

03:04:54.218 --> 03:04:58.178
He tells her she has no idea what he's capable of.

03:04:58.798 --> 03:05:00.718
Gosh, I mean, it is just...

03:05:01.418 --> 03:05:06.198
Ugh, this guy goes to the depths of the worst type of villain.

03:05:06.518 --> 03:05:09.878
Ellie manages to get her fingers around the machete and stabs David.

03:05:10.478 --> 03:05:15.258
As he recoils, she flips him on his back, sits on him, and starts stabbing him.

03:05:16.098 --> 03:05:21.638
She stabs and she stabs and she stabs, and we hear the life escape David in one last gurgle.

03:05:22.258 --> 03:05:24.458
And she keeps stabbing after that.

03:05:24.738 --> 03:05:38.058
The scream that he lets out is just so blood-curdling and terrified, and also has that sense of, holy fuck, she overtook me and I am dead.

03:05:39.218 --> 03:05:44.558
Yeah, it's that fear with the wind getting knocked out of you that's so hard to manipulate.

03:05:44.578 --> 03:05:47.778
That speaks to Nolan North as a performer straight up.

03:05:47.798 --> 03:05:52.878
That is an ungodly noise you can only create in the worst circumstances.

03:05:52.978 --> 03:05:54.518
It's fear and surprise.

03:05:55.638 --> 03:06:01.418
From behind, Joel comes up and he goes, Ellie, Ellie, it's okay, it's me, it's okay, baby girl, it's me.

03:06:01.838 --> 03:06:05.598
And for the first time since he lost Sarah, we hear him say baby girl.

03:06:05.898 --> 03:06:06.298
Yeah.

03:06:06.798 --> 03:06:09.318
Ellie whimpers, and she's so scared.

03:06:09.338 --> 03:06:10.658
She says, he tried to...

03:06:11.618 --> 03:06:12.778
Joel says it's okay.

03:06:13.638 --> 03:06:16.338
And with that, Ellie knows she's safe with Joel again.

03:06:16.358 --> 03:06:21.418
Oh, it's so scary, because when he comes and grabs her, she yells, don't touch me.

03:06:21.678 --> 03:06:22.098
Yeah.

03:06:22.418 --> 03:06:24.878
But like, it's just, she doesn't know what's going on.

03:06:24.898 --> 03:06:26.258
And she's not expecting Joel.

03:06:26.518 --> 03:06:26.838
No.

03:06:26.998 --> 03:06:33.458
And once she realizes it's the only person who gives a shit about her in this world, she's like, oh my god, okay.

03:06:33.918 --> 03:06:34.518
We're good.

03:06:34.578 --> 03:06:35.058
We're good.

03:06:35.998 --> 03:06:43.498
Joel holds Ellie's face in his hands, and he looks at her in the eyes, and they're reunited, and then they walk away.

03:06:45.738 --> 03:06:47.298
I mean, you need to walk away from that.

03:06:48.978 --> 03:06:53.318
And like, they were already going to vote out David anyway, so these guys are probably like, you know what?

03:06:53.678 --> 03:06:54.138
Fuck it.

03:06:54.158 --> 03:06:54.618
Let him go.

03:06:54.698 --> 03:06:57.058
He was already being impeached by his town.

03:06:57.718 --> 03:07:01.698
They're like, the cannibal party is really on the rocks right now.

03:07:01.858 --> 03:07:02.878
Yeah, I can't blame them.

03:07:02.898 --> 03:07:04.298
He was going to eat them, so...

03:07:06.258 --> 03:07:08.078
Spring 2033.

03:07:08.618 --> 03:07:11.598
Goodness, it's been a full fucking year.

03:07:13.118 --> 03:07:20.178
Ellie and Joel are on the outskirts of Salt Lake City, and Joel tells her that once they're done with all this, he'll teach Ellie how to play guitar.

03:07:20.198 --> 03:07:26.338
Ellie is distracted and distant and more melancholy than ever before.

03:07:27.018 --> 03:07:28.418
I mean, they're both different.

03:07:28.438 --> 03:07:30.618
Joel is a completely different fucking person now.

03:07:30.998 --> 03:07:33.558
Yeah, so let's take this beat to look at them when we met them.

03:07:33.578 --> 03:07:41.438
Joel is dark, he's fucking pessimistic, he hates everything, he's a follower, he is just trying to get his bat and get out.

03:07:41.438 --> 03:07:42.778
Doesn't really care for Ellie either.

03:07:43.098 --> 03:07:48.358
Now he's like, I'm gonna teach you how to play guitar, we're gonna braid each other's hair, we're gonna have so much fun.

03:07:48.458 --> 03:07:54.458
For the first time, he's thinking after this is all over, and he's including her in that.

03:07:55.118 --> 03:07:57.358
That was not an option to him earlier.

03:07:57.378 --> 03:08:02.018
Yeah, he very specifically said, once we're done with this, we're gonna part ways and we're good.

03:08:02.158 --> 03:08:08.238
Yeah, he always expected the drop off and be done, but now he's like, no, we're together, this is you and me.

03:08:08.798 --> 03:08:18.498
And Ellie on the other hand was like curious, she's spunky, and now she's just sad and has killed so many people, she's like, what the fuck, man.

03:08:18.598 --> 03:08:22.818
She's looking around and wondering, is this world even worth fucking saving?

03:08:23.238 --> 03:08:26.958
And to remind you all, she's 14, do you remember being 14?

03:08:27.698 --> 03:08:30.718
Oh my god, she's going through puberty, she is-

03:08:30.738 --> 03:08:31.278
Hormones.

03:08:31.738 --> 03:08:34.678
Oh my lord, she is having the worst fucking time.

03:08:34.698 --> 03:08:36.518
This is the only girl that deserves to be emo.

03:08:36.918 --> 03:08:37.358
Right?

03:08:37.378 --> 03:08:38.718
Ugh, poor girl.

03:08:39.138 --> 03:08:45.238
Anyway, in this city, it is quiet and the Fedra camps are empty, unused, abandoned.

03:08:45.918 --> 03:08:49.358
There's no sign of hunters or marauders or infected just yet.

03:08:49.678 --> 03:08:53.758
In their exploration, Ellie sees something magical and just wanders off.

03:08:54.458 --> 03:08:58.298
Joel is like, Ellie, Ellie, where are you?

03:08:58.318 --> 03:08:58.858
What the fuck?

03:08:58.878 --> 03:09:05.338
And she's like, oh my god, which is great, because right up until then, she was like, what is life?

03:09:05.558 --> 03:09:10.378
Yeah, she was super emo and now she has a spark of life back in her.

03:09:10.958 --> 03:09:18.038
As Joel comes up behind Ellie, he finally sees what actually distracted her and got her to like run off, and it's a fucking giraffe.

03:09:18.418 --> 03:09:19.338
A giraffe.

03:09:19.358 --> 03:09:28.138
It's such a magical moment, and it reminds me of like Jurassic Park with the long neck dinosaur that they end up with in the tree and stuff, and they're like petting it.

03:09:29.518 --> 03:09:34.258
They come up on a balcony and they see the giraffe just eating some leaves peacefully.

03:09:35.138 --> 03:09:40.858
The local zoo is obviously decrepit, so the animals have just been able to run wild and live their life in Salt Lake City.

03:09:41.318 --> 03:09:44.078
Joel goes up to this giraffe and starts giving him little pets.

03:09:44.798 --> 03:09:48.098
He brings Ellie over, and Ellie also starts petting the giraffe.

03:09:48.118 --> 03:09:51.498
They have this beautiful moment of just appreciating nature.

03:09:52.118 --> 03:09:56.458
The giraffe accepts their affection, finishes his little bite, and starts to wander off.

03:09:57.478 --> 03:10:04.818
Ellie dashes through the building to chase the giraffe around to keep her eyes on this glorious animal, which she probably just never seen before in her life.

03:10:04.898 --> 03:10:07.538
Oh my god, I'd be surprised if she knew the name of this animal.

03:10:08.318 --> 03:10:12.118
Joel follows Ellie to this landing outside, and they look over the city.

03:10:12.398 --> 03:10:17.338
There's a pack of about six or seven giraffes in the distance wandering through an old baseball field.

03:10:17.758 --> 03:10:21.458
It's peaceful, and it's quiet, and it's calm, and it's kind of beautiful.

03:10:22.098 --> 03:10:25.078
And somewhere nearby, a zebra is trapped in the gate.

03:10:26.498 --> 03:10:27.598
But we don't know that yet.

03:10:28.538 --> 03:10:31.298
Joel asks Ellie if it's everything she was hoping for.

03:10:32.298 --> 03:10:34.638
She says, it's got its ups and downs.

03:10:35.938 --> 03:10:40.458
As he turns to leave, Joel says, hey Ellie, we don't have to do this.

03:10:41.778 --> 03:10:44.498
We can go back to Tommy's and just be done with all this.

03:10:45.578 --> 03:10:51.118
Ellie says, after all they've been through and everything I've done, it can't be for nothing.

03:10:51.998 --> 03:11:03.978
She leaves and Joel is left to accept that she wants to do this, that she wants this trip to have meaning and all the pain and suffering they've gone through to have something at the end of it that was worth it all.

03:11:04.298 --> 03:11:05.798
Yeah, a lot of people have died.

03:11:05.818 --> 03:11:07.198
She doesn't want that to be in vain.

03:11:07.218 --> 03:11:10.278
And not really, she's murdered so many grown men.

03:11:10.638 --> 03:11:11.358
Yeah.

03:11:11.358 --> 03:11:12.058
Come on, girl.

03:11:12.578 --> 03:11:15.938
As they navigate the city, Ellie stops to hand Joel something.

03:11:16.498 --> 03:11:23.238
She says, back in Jackson, she grabbed it, and it's the picture that Tommy had excavated from the Miller home.

03:11:23.858 --> 03:11:25.158
Oh, the one of the soccer game.

03:11:25.418 --> 03:11:28.918
It's the one, yeah, it's the one that Tommy tried to give to Joel, but Joel said no.

03:11:29.238 --> 03:11:32.178
Ellie snatched it and hung on to it all this time.

03:11:32.678 --> 03:11:38.318
Here, Joel just says he can't escape his past, takes it from her and thanks her for it.

03:11:38.838 --> 03:11:40.198
He has grown so much.

03:11:40.398 --> 03:11:40.918
I know.

03:11:41.478 --> 03:11:57.678
After this beautiful moment where we see a man who once denied his old life and ran from it, now accepting it in tandem with starting this new life as this new person, we run into a gang of infected down an abandoned freeway, which include runners, clickers and bloaters.

03:11:57.758 --> 03:11:58.858
Just all of the above.

03:11:58.958 --> 03:12:00.418
Because fuck you.

03:12:00.458 --> 03:12:00.818
Right.

03:12:02.318 --> 03:12:03.658
Sweet moment, horrible thing.

03:12:03.678 --> 03:12:05.578
Sweet moment, horrible thing.

03:12:05.598 --> 03:12:06.798
That's the whole fucking game.

03:12:06.818 --> 03:12:11.598
How many times have I said, but this moment is interrupted by a bunch of horrible things.

03:12:11.778 --> 03:12:13.918
Yeah, I think there's like two bloaters in this section, right?

03:12:13.978 --> 03:12:14.418
Yes.

03:12:14.598 --> 03:12:16.258
I died a couple of times.

03:12:16.278 --> 03:12:17.578
I was like, all right, I'm going to go in.

03:12:17.598 --> 03:12:18.398
It's really strategic.

03:12:18.418 --> 03:12:21.878
Because I went in like guns blazing like, ah, fire bombs.

03:12:22.178 --> 03:12:23.178
I love a good fire bomb.

03:12:23.198 --> 03:12:24.798
But then I was like, I'm going to sneak around.

03:12:24.818 --> 03:12:26.878
I'm going to kill everyone until we're just the bloaters.

03:12:26.898 --> 03:12:28.858
And I'm going to get these motherfuckers.

03:12:28.878 --> 03:12:29.878
And you're like, go off.

03:12:29.978 --> 03:12:35.658
But then again, you followed up this double bloater kill and everything with move this ladder over here.

03:12:35.698 --> 03:12:36.118
We did.

03:12:36.518 --> 03:12:38.398
And lean it against this wall and climb it.

03:12:40.318 --> 03:12:48.098
The infected horror drive Joel and Ellie deep into, like, the underground sores of Salt Lake City, and they get swept up by some rushing water.

03:12:48.798 --> 03:12:53.718
Again, Ellie can't swim, so Joel pulls Ellie out of the water, and she is completely passed out.

03:12:53.738 --> 03:12:57.358
So he's like, holy shit, and starts trying to pump her chest to get her to breathe again.

03:12:57.858 --> 03:13:03.678
He doesn't put his mouth on her, because CPR is kind of gross, but he does do the right thing without putting his mouth on her.

03:13:03.718 --> 03:13:07.218
Well, the mouth to mouth part is actually no longer a part of CPR.

03:13:07.458 --> 03:13:07.958
Really?

03:13:07.978 --> 03:13:12.338
Yeah, there is no longer a breathing into somebody's mouth aspect to CPR.

03:13:12.358 --> 03:13:13.778
It is just a chest pump now.

03:13:13.898 --> 03:13:15.158
Oh, well Joel does that.

03:13:15.258 --> 03:13:16.978
I don't know if they had that in 2013.

03:13:16.998 --> 03:13:18.638
I don't know when that changed.

03:13:18.658 --> 03:13:22.138
I think 2013 sounds right about the time that it did, though.

03:13:22.158 --> 03:13:26.478
Well, thank you for letting me know so I don't accidentally mouth breathe on someone who's dying.

03:13:26.498 --> 03:13:26.818
Yeah.

03:13:27.198 --> 03:13:33.658
As Joel is trying to pump some air back into Ellie, some of the Firefly soldiers come up, guns pointed out at everyone.

03:13:33.878 --> 03:13:35.398
And he's been in this situation before.

03:13:35.558 --> 03:13:36.818
Yeah, and he kind of doesn't give a shit.

03:13:36.838 --> 03:13:38.138
He's like, yeah, I'm fine.

03:13:38.338 --> 03:13:39.138
We're not infected.

03:13:39.318 --> 03:13:39.978
She's dying.

03:13:40.018 --> 03:13:41.218
I need to fucking help her.

03:13:41.758 --> 03:13:43.098
And they're like, put your hands up.

03:13:43.118 --> 03:13:44.918
And he's like, absolutely fucking not.

03:13:44.938 --> 03:13:46.018
I have to save this girl.

03:13:46.418 --> 03:13:51.778
Joel gets hit in the head by one of the Firefly soldiers as he's trying to revive Ellie, and everything goes black.

03:13:53.098 --> 03:13:56.798
Sometime later, Joel wakes up in a hospital bed with Marlene over him.

03:13:57.178 --> 03:13:57.878
Marlene.

03:13:57.978 --> 03:13:58.898
Marlene!

03:13:58.918 --> 03:14:00.578
From the early part of the game.

03:14:00.698 --> 03:14:02.238
Merle Dandridge, baby.

03:14:02.998 --> 03:14:05.698
And, like, this part frustrated me.

03:14:05.878 --> 03:14:06.258
Yeah?

03:14:06.318 --> 03:14:07.858
How the fuck did Marlene get here?

03:14:08.758 --> 03:14:09.958
Well, she didn't get impaled.

03:14:10.178 --> 03:14:15.098
No, she didn't, but also, like, as we find out, her entire crew died on the way here.

03:14:15.198 --> 03:14:15.578
Yeah.

03:14:15.638 --> 03:14:18.618
She came with a grip of people, and she is the sole survivor.

03:14:18.838 --> 03:14:19.218
Right.

03:14:19.238 --> 03:14:22.718
Marlene does stand over Joel and is like, welcome to the Fireflies.

03:14:23.438 --> 03:14:24.658
Joel asks about Ellie.

03:14:25.078 --> 03:14:28.078
She tells him she's fine, she's safe, she made it.

03:14:28.338 --> 03:14:32.618
Marlene asks how they made it across the nation, and Joel says it was all her.

03:14:33.118 --> 03:14:34.558
She fought like hell to be here.

03:14:35.298 --> 03:14:37.438
To your point, Marlene says she had a hard time.

03:14:37.758 --> 03:14:40.518
She lost almost everything getting across the country.

03:14:40.978 --> 03:14:42.438
But maybe it was all made to be.

03:14:42.818 --> 03:14:46.978
Joel asks to see Ellie, but Marlene says no, she's being prepped for surgery.

03:14:47.458 --> 03:14:50.738
That the cordyceps have mutated inside of her, and that's how she's immune.

03:14:51.118 --> 03:14:54.118
And they're going to take out the infection to study it and create a vaccine.

03:14:55.018 --> 03:14:59.138
Joel understands the logic, but says, but it grows all over the brain.

03:14:59.598 --> 03:15:00.778
Marlene agrees to this.

03:15:01.318 --> 03:15:07.258
Joel realizes that to create a vaccine, they're going to take Ellie's brain out of her head.

03:15:07.638 --> 03:15:09.978
And even a dumb man knows, you don't do that.

03:15:10.678 --> 03:15:14.078
Even dumbass Joel is like, she can't live without a brain.

03:15:15.858 --> 03:15:17.638
Joel tells Marlene to find someone else.

03:15:18.178 --> 03:15:19.938
Marlene is like, what the fuck?

03:15:19.938 --> 03:15:20.998
There is no one else.

03:15:21.998 --> 03:15:24.358
That there is no other choice here.

03:15:24.838 --> 03:15:26.138
Joel does not like this.

03:15:26.338 --> 03:15:28.758
He says, you keep telling yourself that bullshit.

03:15:29.178 --> 03:15:33.178
Marlene has a gunman next to her, and she tells him to march Joel out of here.

03:15:33.578 --> 03:15:35.978
And if he tries to do anything, to shoot him.

03:15:36.678 --> 03:15:41.138
This was Merle Dandridge's audition scene with Troy Baker, and it's such a badass scene.

03:15:41.298 --> 03:15:41.658
Really?

03:15:41.678 --> 03:15:42.818
This was their audition scene?

03:15:42.838 --> 03:15:47.038
Yeah, like, they're an interaction in the very back of the game.

03:15:47.058 --> 03:15:48.638
Yeah, this was their chemistry read.

03:15:48.738 --> 03:15:49.138
Right.

03:15:49.398 --> 03:15:50.038
Oh, that's great.

03:15:50.258 --> 03:15:52.638
They are not supposed to have too much chemistry.

03:15:52.658 --> 03:15:52.938
Right.

03:15:53.678 --> 03:15:55.098
They're anti-chemistry read.

03:15:55.098 --> 03:15:56.838
Yeah, there's some tension here.

03:15:57.278 --> 03:16:01.098
The gunman tells Joel to get up so they can walk out of the hospital at gunpoint.

03:16:01.818 --> 03:16:05.418
Joel clocks where his backpack is and then stops walking.

03:16:06.018 --> 03:16:11.198
The gunman tells him to keep walking, but Joel turns around and punches him out and throws him up against the wall.

03:16:11.718 --> 03:16:13.538
Joel asks where the operating room is.

03:16:14.338 --> 03:16:20.078
Before the guy can say anything, Joel says, I ain't got time for this, and shoots him in the dick.

03:16:22.218 --> 03:16:26.958
He shoots him a second time in the dick, and the gunman tells Joel where the operating room is.

03:16:27.458 --> 03:16:34.498
Now Joel has his whole backpack and weapons and all of his shit, and he has to make it back to the operating room to grab Ellie.

03:16:34.778 --> 03:16:40.018
And like I said earlier, Joel has grown so much through the course of this game, and we just had a huge backslide here.

03:16:42.738 --> 03:16:44.118
He sees Marlene.

03:16:44.178 --> 03:16:47.958
He's just back in Boston like, all right, let's shoot some people in the dick again.

03:16:47.978 --> 03:16:49.898
Fucking rage monster Joel.

03:16:50.158 --> 03:16:55.938
I think I told you I was finished the game in one night where I got through like probably a third of the game in one sitting.

03:16:55.938 --> 03:16:59.678
And the next day, because you went to bed at a certain point, I was like, I'm gonna stay up.

03:16:59.698 --> 03:17:00.558
I got this.

03:17:00.598 --> 03:17:02.998
I was like, do you remember Joel shooting someone in the dick?

03:17:03.018 --> 03:17:06.238
And you're like, no, that's that's like some 13 year old shit.

03:17:06.258 --> 03:17:09.278
And I was like, yeah, he shoots this guy in the dick twice.

03:17:10.798 --> 03:17:12.298
You're like, why?

03:17:12.458 --> 03:17:13.298
He's 50.

03:17:13.318 --> 03:17:14.118
And I was like, I know.

03:17:14.158 --> 03:17:15.878
Is it Dead Eye and Andrea's playing?

03:17:17.318 --> 03:17:20.218
Me shooting Micah in the dick in Red Dead nonstop.

03:17:20.238 --> 03:17:21.098
Yeah, basically.

03:17:21.558 --> 03:17:23.698
So now Joel's got all his shit back.

03:17:23.718 --> 03:17:24.798
He's out here to get Ellie.

03:17:25.038 --> 03:17:28.918
And the other Fireflies notice that that gunman's dead and bleeding out from the dick.

03:17:28.938 --> 03:17:30.558
So they're on high alert for Joel.

03:17:31.118 --> 03:17:41.618
Joel kills his way through multiple wings of this hospital as Fireflies try to stop him so they can harvest Ellie's brain for a cure to the fucking worst thing that's ever happened to humanity.

03:17:41.958 --> 03:17:43.158
It's fucking wild.

03:17:43.178 --> 03:17:52.538
And I mean, to Joel's credit too, we heard him say this earlier in the game as well, like right at the beginning when he was talking with Tess, like we've heard about these cures before.

03:17:52.638 --> 03:17:55.878
There's been plenty of rumors of like, oh, we finally found the thing.

03:17:56.298 --> 03:18:02.898
But also now he is being threatened with taking away the one person he fucking swore he wouldn't care about.

03:18:02.918 --> 03:18:03.478
Yeah.

03:18:03.638 --> 03:18:04.858
And now he cares about her.

03:18:04.998 --> 03:18:10.278
And as a result, he is going to murder everybody in order to keep her safe.

03:18:10.418 --> 03:18:13.098
Well, she is now the only thing he cares about.

03:18:13.158 --> 03:18:13.558
Yeah.

03:18:13.578 --> 03:18:13.878
You know?

03:18:14.038 --> 03:18:15.658
He doesn't even care about Tommy that much.

03:18:15.778 --> 03:18:16.558
I know.

03:18:16.578 --> 03:18:18.238
He kind of couldn't give a shit about Tommy.

03:18:18.998 --> 03:18:23.878
Joel kills his way to the surgical ward and comes into the room, guns blazing.

03:18:23.978 --> 03:18:30.918
There are three people in the room prepped for surgery, all in green scrubs, which is not canonical The Last of Us 2, but you know.

03:18:32.178 --> 03:18:40.718
One surgeon, the head surgeon, a man we now know as Jerry Anderson, picks up a scalpel and points it at Joel, who is holding a gun at his head.

03:18:41.158 --> 03:18:44.018
I mean, it's the only weapon he's got within reach.

03:18:44.498 --> 03:18:46.958
There are two other nurses backing up against the doors.

03:18:47.478 --> 03:18:51.018
Now, you can kill Jerry however you want.

03:18:51.898 --> 03:18:57.838
I actually, in the PS5 version, I walked up to him holding my flamethrower, and when I got up to him, there's a triangle prompt.

03:18:58.258 --> 03:19:04.838
And I didn't say what it did, but I hit it, and Joel grabs the scalpel out of Jerry's hand and stabs him in the neck with it.

03:19:04.878 --> 03:19:05.678
Oh, my God.

03:19:05.698 --> 03:19:10.478
Which is so much darker to kill him with the thing he was trying to point at to protect himself with.

03:19:10.498 --> 03:19:11.098
Yeah.

03:19:11.758 --> 03:19:18.078
In my original playthroughs in the 2014 remaster, I think I usually went flamethrower, because I fucking love the flamethrower.

03:19:18.518 --> 03:19:21.958
You can leave the other two nurses alive or kill them, it doesn't really matter.

03:19:22.138 --> 03:19:24.738
And TV show, he just walks in and pops them in the forehead.

03:19:25.638 --> 03:19:28.898
They have to have a canonical version of that for obvious reasons in season two.

03:19:29.038 --> 03:19:36.218
But in this scene as well, one of the nurses is played by our friend who I mentioned a couple of times, Laura Bailey.

03:19:36.638 --> 03:19:37.338
It is.

03:19:37.418 --> 03:19:43.238
And actually, this scene was the very first time that Neil Druckmann actually worked with her.

03:19:43.258 --> 03:19:44.938
Like, she'd only done voiceover work earlier.

03:19:45.138 --> 03:19:47.838
This was the first time he worked with her, like, in body form.

03:19:48.018 --> 03:19:48.838
With mocap, right?

03:19:48.858 --> 03:19:58.518
With mocap and everything, and he fell so head over heels for her performance as a voiceless nurse that he said, you will be one of the main characters in the next game.

03:19:58.658 --> 03:19:59.518
And she was.

03:19:59.578 --> 03:20:00.378
And she was.

03:20:00.398 --> 03:20:04.238
She is the other protagonist in The Last of Us Part 2, which is fucking incredible.

03:20:04.258 --> 03:20:06.658
And Laura Bailey is not plucked out of obscurity.

03:20:06.678 --> 03:20:09.258
She is a very, very, very talented performer.

03:20:09.538 --> 03:20:15.018
And her Abbey performance for the sequel has garnered incredible amounts of awards and nominations and everything.

03:20:15.038 --> 03:20:16.438
She is brilliant as Abbey.

03:20:16.598 --> 03:20:22.358
And she, just like Merle Dandridge, who we just saw earlier, got to bring these characters over to the TV show.

03:20:22.358 --> 03:20:26.278
And she does play one of the nurses in this scene in the HBO show.

03:20:26.298 --> 03:20:30.578
Yeah, she gets to play her exact same character in the TV show that she did in real life.

03:20:30.598 --> 03:20:36.818
Yeah, so in the last episode, we get the two performers that come from the game reprising their roles, which is kind of cool with Marlene.

03:20:36.978 --> 03:20:38.498
And named nurse.

03:20:38.538 --> 03:20:39.658
Yeah, unnamed nurse.

03:20:39.678 --> 03:20:40.398
Unnamed nurse.

03:20:40.938 --> 03:20:42.398
I was trying to think of a fun name for her.

03:20:42.478 --> 03:20:43.258
Couldn't get there.

03:20:43.558 --> 03:20:45.118
Anyway, it's a whole thing.

03:20:45.138 --> 03:20:52.318
But Joel looks down, sees Ellie in a full surgical gown, scoops her up, pulls her out of all the machines, and says, I got you.

03:20:52.878 --> 03:20:53.398
I got you.

03:20:53.838 --> 03:20:59.218
Joel carries Ellie through the hospital, and she lays limp in his arms, unaware of her second chance at life.

03:20:59.918 --> 03:21:04.138
She is obviously just under all the drugs, about to literally be cut open.

03:21:04.218 --> 03:21:12.178
But like, opening the game with him carrying his daughter and then closing the game with him carrying his daughter, but very different outcomes.

03:21:12.398 --> 03:21:14.038
He can finally save this one.

03:21:14.058 --> 03:21:18.518
This is like, this is Andrew Garfield saving Zendaya at the end of No Way Home.

03:21:18.538 --> 03:21:24.798
Yeah, I was gonna say, it's that redemption moment of like, no, the last time this happened, I fucking failed.

03:21:24.818 --> 03:21:26.098
I'm not failing this time.

03:21:26.098 --> 03:21:29.758
I will burn down the entire world to not let it happen again.

03:21:29.778 --> 03:21:30.538
Entirely.

03:21:30.878 --> 03:21:36.998
She is passed out, but he is still talking to her, telling her he's getting her out of here, that he's got her, that it's gonna be okay.

03:21:37.398 --> 03:21:43.338
He keeps telling Ellie, knowing she's unconscious, that she is safe, because he needs her to know that.

03:21:43.598 --> 03:21:48.478
Fireflies are shooting at them, saying, can you please leave the cure to mankind behind with you?

03:21:49.118 --> 03:21:49.938
Please stop.

03:21:50.798 --> 03:21:51.878
Please, please stop.

03:21:52.078 --> 03:21:53.678
But it's not enough.

03:21:53.818 --> 03:21:58.458
Joel runs through the halls and takes an elevator down towards the parking lot to get out of the building.

03:21:58.838 --> 03:22:03.398
He's leaving the elevator in the parking lot and is met by Marlene, gun drawn.

03:22:03.838 --> 03:22:06.018
She says, what's the plan, Joel?

03:22:06.318 --> 03:22:07.318
What are you doing now?

03:22:07.778 --> 03:22:08.938
Is this what you want?

03:22:09.058 --> 03:22:10.038
Is this what she wants?

03:22:10.058 --> 03:22:11.678
I don't think this is what she wants.

03:22:12.138 --> 03:22:14.638
How long until she's torn apart by clickers?

03:22:14.818 --> 03:22:20.558
How long until she's raped and murdered and abused and tortured in this world, like we all are?

03:22:21.118 --> 03:22:25.358
She can leave now and leave behind a vaccine and like just this whole thing.

03:22:25.378 --> 03:22:27.998
This is what she'd want and you know it.

03:22:28.538 --> 03:22:34.978
Marlene is holding her gun, but she slowly starts raising her arm up, pointing the gun away to show that she doesn't want to hurt anyone.

03:22:35.538 --> 03:22:37.958
She tells Joel he can still do the right thing.

03:22:38.538 --> 03:22:41.998
She tells Joel that Ellie won't feel anything.

03:22:42.698 --> 03:22:43.838
Oh my god.

03:22:44.878 --> 03:22:45.758
But Joel will.

03:22:46.218 --> 03:22:50.898
We cut to Joel driving away with Ellie in the back seat of a car, dazed and confused.

03:22:51.758 --> 03:22:56.078
Ellie stirs away groaning through the anesthesia and says, What the hell am I wearing?

03:22:56.258 --> 03:22:57.318
Why am I wearing paper?

03:22:57.698 --> 03:22:59.338
Joel says, Hey, take it easy.

03:22:59.358 --> 03:23:00.418
The drugs are wearing off.

03:23:00.758 --> 03:23:02.478
Ellie says, What happened?

03:23:02.938 --> 03:23:03.958
Joel is quiet.

03:23:04.378 --> 03:23:06.858
And then he says, They found the fireflies.

03:23:07.738 --> 03:23:14.438
It turns out there's a whole lot of people like Ellie, immune people, dozens of them, and they've stopped looking for a cure.

03:23:15.078 --> 03:23:21.458
In a cut scene, as Joel describes this to Ellie, we see him looking at Marlene and shooting her down in the parking lot.

03:23:22.398 --> 03:23:24.538
We see Joel put Ellie in the back of the car.

03:23:25.118 --> 03:23:28.258
We see Marlene reach out and say, Please let me go.

03:23:28.798 --> 03:23:36.878
Joel says, You'll just come after her and puts a final bullet in her, ending the lineage of this era of the fireflies.

03:23:38.018 --> 03:23:38.798
Goddamn.

03:23:39.338 --> 03:23:43.078
Joel tells Ellie he's taking them home, and off to Jackson they go.

03:23:43.738 --> 03:23:52.578
Sometime later, because Jackson's pretty far from Salt Lake City, Joel and Ellie get out of the car and walk down towards Jackson to Tommy and Maria's compound.

03:23:53.358 --> 03:23:58.618
We play as Ellie again, and she follows Joel through a part of the forest as they make it down to safety.

03:23:59.038 --> 03:24:03.778
Joel jogs down the path toward Jackson and tells Ellie that he and Sarah used to take hikes like this.

03:24:04.858 --> 03:24:08.218
That he thinks Ellie and Sarah would have really gotten along.

03:24:08.698 --> 03:24:11.538
They get to the top of a hill and look down at the city of Jackson.

03:24:12.078 --> 03:24:17.978
The walls of the city guard a fully functioning town with electricity, community, farms.

03:24:18.018 --> 03:24:23.178
Just down this hill is civilization and a future, a safe future.

03:24:23.798 --> 03:24:26.798
Joel pulls Ellie up to a ledge so they can continue their journey.

03:24:27.318 --> 03:24:33.778
But Ellie stops him before they keep going and says, wait, back in Boston, when I was bitten, I wasn't alone.

03:24:34.698 --> 03:24:37.378
My best friend was there and she got bit too.

03:24:37.838 --> 03:24:43.398
We didn't know what to do, so we said, let's wait it out and we can be all poetic and lose our minds together.

03:24:43.878 --> 03:24:45.918
And I'm still waiting for my turn.

03:24:47.118 --> 03:24:49.578
Joel interrupts to comfort her and says, Ellie.

03:24:49.938 --> 03:24:58.118
Ellie continues that everyone dies and her name was Riley and she was the first, then Tess, then Sam.

03:24:58.638 --> 03:25:06.138
Joel says he struggles with surviving too, but you have to keep finding something to fight for as he talks to his reason for fighting.

03:25:07.458 --> 03:25:10.458
She interrupts him and she says, Swear to me.

03:25:11.538 --> 03:25:14.398
Swear to me everything you said about the Fireflies is true.

03:25:15.038 --> 03:25:19.078
Joel doesn't hesitate and he looks her in the eyes and says, I swear.

03:25:19.518 --> 03:25:20.538
Ellie takes this in.

03:25:20.938 --> 03:25:23.538
She breathes in this moment to accept what he says.

03:25:24.278 --> 03:25:25.858
And she says, okay.

03:25:26.358 --> 03:25:27.978
And the game cuts to black.

03:25:28.518 --> 03:25:31.038
And that okay weighs a thousand pounds.

03:25:32.418 --> 03:25:38.938
The way that he doesn't hesitate and just goes, absolutely, tons of immune people, they didn't need you, they gave up.

03:25:39.698 --> 03:25:42.538
I mean, that's when you know he's a real parent, when he starts lying to his kids.

03:25:42.598 --> 03:25:44.158
Oh my God, Tom.

03:25:44.178 --> 03:25:44.478
What?

03:25:44.498 --> 03:25:45.198
It's true.

03:25:45.218 --> 03:25:46.398
You have to protect them.

03:25:46.438 --> 03:25:48.738
And sometimes to protect them, you have to lie.

03:25:48.758 --> 03:25:49.778
Holy shit.

03:25:49.958 --> 03:25:51.138
It's so dark.

03:25:51.158 --> 03:25:51.558
It is.

03:25:51.578 --> 03:25:54.018
And it's such a controversial ending.

03:25:54.038 --> 03:25:57.178
And honestly, I've gone back and forth on how I feel about it.

03:25:57.278 --> 03:25:57.758
That's right.

03:25:57.778 --> 03:25:59.798
The first time you play this, you're like, that's horseshit.

03:25:59.818 --> 03:26:00.578
He lied to her.

03:26:00.758 --> 03:26:01.318
Yeah.

03:26:01.398 --> 03:26:07.678
And like, I went on a rant in our Last of Us 2 episode, and I would say I'm not very nice about Joel in this situation.

03:26:08.238 --> 03:26:16.638
Here's what I'll say, though, is that Neil Juchman has done, like, countless questionnaires on how did people feel about this moment.

03:26:16.958 --> 03:26:17.378
Yeah.

03:26:17.718 --> 03:26:23.398
And he said 100% of parents agreed with Joel.

03:26:23.698 --> 03:26:25.418
Wow, that is chilling.

03:26:25.438 --> 03:26:26.458
Holy shit.

03:26:26.518 --> 03:26:29.898
Non-parents were always split 50-50.

03:26:30.218 --> 03:26:32.598
The childless are like, this guy's a dick.

03:26:32.838 --> 03:26:33.378
Yeah.

03:26:33.898 --> 03:26:37.838
And as a childless adult, I guess I did not agree with what he had to say.

03:26:37.858 --> 03:26:42.418
But the fact that parents 100% across the board have always agreed.

03:26:42.798 --> 03:26:49.098
And the other thing, too, is Neil Juchman, he asked his dad about a certain situation that occurred in Israel one time.

03:26:49.458 --> 03:27:00.118
There was this soldier who was taken captive by a foreign country, and their prime minister negotiated to release, like, 100 prisoners they had for this one prisoner.

03:27:00.198 --> 03:27:01.038
Holy shit.

03:27:01.118 --> 03:27:03.878
And Neil asked his dad, do you think that was the right call?

03:27:04.058 --> 03:27:08.918
And he said, as the prime minister of Israel, that was one of the dumbest calls I could have possibly made.

03:27:09.678 --> 03:27:14.278
As a father, I would have burned the entire fucking country down to get my son back.

03:27:14.838 --> 03:27:15.898
Holy shit.

03:27:15.918 --> 03:27:17.998
And Neil was like, I have an idea for a game.

03:27:18.058 --> 03:27:20.798
Yeah, no, that's why he had Joel make that decision.

03:27:20.938 --> 03:27:21.918
That's incredible.

03:27:22.138 --> 03:27:29.098
So yeah, it's amazing to see how he just pulled from his life and the people around him to craft this story.

03:27:29.138 --> 03:27:29.798
Yeah, that's beautiful.

03:27:29.978 --> 03:27:31.818
Including the actors and everything.

03:27:31.818 --> 03:27:34.698
So yeah, agree with Joel, disagree with Joel.

03:27:35.078 --> 03:27:42.998
It's a very, very specific situation that Ellie found herself in as a literal newborn that granted her this immunity.

03:27:43.018 --> 03:27:45.998
It has nothing to do, like it's not because she's super special.

03:27:46.358 --> 03:27:50.218
She didn't evolve to be immune to it or anything like that.

03:27:50.958 --> 03:27:56.018
She had a freak thing happen that caused her to be immune, and could they have pulled from it?

03:27:56.158 --> 03:27:57.678
Maybe, maybe not.

03:27:58.078 --> 03:28:01.318
Oh, absolutely, but holy shit.

03:28:01.758 --> 03:28:05.538
Oh, I love this game, but truly, I just want to play 2 now.

03:28:06.358 --> 03:28:07.198
I don't blame you.

03:28:07.218 --> 03:28:08.078
God damn.

03:28:08.098 --> 03:28:14.638
But yeah, I know the puzzling and that gameplay element does drag a little bit, and there's a lot less of that in 2.

03:28:14.778 --> 03:28:17.818
I think 2 is just such a compelling, well-written story.

03:28:17.838 --> 03:28:18.498
Not that this isn't.

03:28:18.518 --> 03:28:20.338
I think this is absolutely really well done.

03:28:20.358 --> 03:28:21.158
It's a masterpiece.

03:28:21.178 --> 03:28:22.918
I love the HBO series.

03:28:22.938 --> 03:28:30.778
I think it does it absolute justice, and I'm so excited to see the next season, which is not going to start for a very long time between season 1 and 2.

03:28:30.838 --> 03:28:32.538
Yeah, especially with the writer's strike going.

03:28:32.558 --> 03:28:33.678
The writer's strike.

03:28:33.678 --> 03:28:34.578
Everyone's busy.

03:28:34.578 --> 03:28:40.678
Pedro's on this world tour of being the hottest man in the world.

03:28:40.698 --> 03:28:41.538
It's a whole thing.

03:28:41.558 --> 03:28:46.018
But thank you so much if you stuck with us this long talking about The Last of Us.

03:28:46.098 --> 03:28:47.638
I greatly appreciate it.

03:28:47.658 --> 03:28:50.558
I had a fabulous time with our co-host Tom.

03:28:50.598 --> 03:28:55.058
Well, you did an amazing job leading us through that as you did with The Last of Us 2.

03:28:55.098 --> 03:28:55.718
Thank you.

03:28:56.178 --> 03:28:58.998
You know, Last of Us 2, I think, is my favorite episode that you've done.

03:28:59.278 --> 03:28:59.758
Really?

03:28:59.778 --> 03:29:00.538
I love that one.

03:29:00.558 --> 03:29:00.798
Yeah.

03:29:01.018 --> 03:29:01.798
Oh, thank you.

03:29:01.818 --> 03:29:03.258
You like that more than Dead Space?

03:29:03.618 --> 03:29:06.098
I love, love, love the way you took us through The Last of Us 2.

03:29:06.118 --> 03:29:08.438
And I think this one is actually going to top that for me.

03:29:08.458 --> 03:29:09.358
Thank you so much.

03:29:09.378 --> 03:29:10.558
I really appreciate that.

03:29:10.738 --> 03:29:15.638
I just say Dead Space because I know you yelled at me in the last part of that for holding out on some secrets.

03:29:16.338 --> 03:29:17.138
That was a great one.

03:29:17.278 --> 03:29:18.758
But I really appreciate you saying that.

03:29:18.778 --> 03:29:19.678
Thank you so much.

03:29:19.698 --> 03:29:21.938
Now, if you listen to this, you have some opinions.

03:29:21.958 --> 03:29:23.798
You want to yell at us about Joel and Ellie.

03:29:23.818 --> 03:29:25.578
You want to um actually something again.

03:29:25.698 --> 03:29:28.618
Our Discord is open and we would love to chat with you.

03:29:28.918 --> 03:29:30.818
That is linked in the show notes.

03:29:30.838 --> 03:29:34.038
If you're watching this on YouTube, it's in like the description, all that good stuff.

03:29:34.058 --> 03:29:37.738
You can also find out how to get there through our website, theothercastlepodcast.com.

03:29:37.778 --> 03:29:40.078
That's the othercastlepodcast.com.

03:29:40.298 --> 03:29:47.538
If you also want to hang out with us and maybe ask us questions or just get to know us a little bit better, we do stream on Fridays on Twitch.

03:29:47.538 --> 03:29:50.398
That's twitch.tv/ the othercastlepodcast.

03:29:50.778 --> 03:29:57.318
Right now, we should be in a Ghosts of Tsushima run, getting towards the back half of that game.

03:29:57.338 --> 03:29:58.498
But hop on.

03:29:58.518 --> 03:30:00.718
We talked about our favorite ghost movies one day.

03:30:00.738 --> 03:30:03.518
I talked about if maybe my dad's the Zodiac killer.

03:30:03.758 --> 03:30:04.578
Who knows?

03:30:05.178 --> 03:30:05.738
I don't.

03:30:07.558 --> 03:30:08.418
We get weird with it.

03:30:08.438 --> 03:30:14.218
So if you want to just hang out and chat with us, we are always down, we are accessible, and we love talking about video games.

03:30:14.318 --> 03:30:16.938
Yeah, and we always upload those to our YouTube page afterwards as well.

03:30:16.938 --> 03:30:19.018
Yeah, so you can always have kind of extended versions.

03:30:19.038 --> 03:30:23.738
And we also talk about like, oh, this part of this game was inspired by XYZ and stuff.

03:30:23.758 --> 03:30:32.478
So it's kind of like a hyper long version of this was poorly organized because we're just having fun and playing video games together.

03:30:32.498 --> 03:30:34.418
But anyway, thank you all so much again.

03:30:34.518 --> 03:30:45.118
Discord, YouTube, if you want more content, like to hear us talk about the Left Behind DLC, that's all on our Patreon, and everything's linked through our website, theothercastlepodcast.com.

03:30:45.118 --> 03:30:47.678
Once again, that's the othercastlepodcast.com.

03:30:47.698 --> 03:30:48.678
But thank you so much.

03:30:48.698 --> 03:30:49.598
We appreciate you.

03:30:49.698 --> 03:30:50.978
Endurance, survive.

03:30:51.378 --> 03:30:53.658
And when you're in the dark, look for the light.

03:30:53.798 --> 03:30:54.678
Oh, that's very good.

03:30:54.678 --> 03:30:56.178
Thank you so much, Goombas.

03:30:56.258 --> 03:31:02.458
Thank you for picking us up in the middle of our offseason, and we will be back very soon with season seven.

03:31:02.538 --> 03:31:06.598
Actually, we're going to have one more of these offseason episodes coming here in a little bit.

03:31:06.658 --> 03:31:07.638
Another remake?

03:31:07.798 --> 03:31:09.138
Another remake.

03:31:09.158 --> 03:31:10.538
Would you kindly drop a hint?

03:31:10.718 --> 03:31:11.538
You just did.

03:31:11.718 --> 03:31:13.198
Damn, take a shot.

03:31:13.278 --> 03:31:14.498
All right, thank you, everyone.

03:31:14.598 --> 03:31:18.378
And this is Tom and Andrea reminding you, don't skip the cutscenes.