Kingdom Hearts 2
Season 9 Epiode 3 Tom & Andrea are ready to once again tackle the most complicated franchise in gaming with Kingdom Hearts 2! Come along wi…
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Aug. 28, 2024
Kingdom Hearts 2
Season 9 Epiode 3 Tom & Andrea are ready to once again tackle the most complicated franchise in gaming with Kingdom Hearts 2! Come along with us as we meet Roxas, a mysterious new character with deep ties to Sora and his friends. As well as the...
Season 9 Epiode 3
Tom & Andrea are ready to once again tackle the most complicated franchise in gaming with Kingdom Hearts 2! Come along with us as we meet Roxas, a mysterious new character with deep ties to Sora and his friends. As well as the morally ambiguous group known as Organization XIII. We also get to hear about Tom's favorite moment in all of gaming. Come find out why this game is still considered one of the greatest games ever made.
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Transcript
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Hello everyone, thinking of you wherever you are, and welcome back to The Other Castle.
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That was so romantic.
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This is The Other Castle, I'm Andrea.
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And my name is Tom.
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Here on The Other Castle, we do the plot, lore, and more behind all your favorite video games from the production, the creation, the release, and the actual game itself.
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Yes, we do.
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And if this is your first time listening to us, you can check us out at our website, theothercastlepodcast.com.
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That's the othercastlepodcast.com.
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It's got all of our episodes, links to our Instagram, our Discord, our item shop, and our Patreon.
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Yes, over on our Patreon, we do monthly episodes, both on and off season.
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You get early access during the season, and only $2 a month with a 7-day free trial.
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That's not too bad for...
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Not too shabby at all.
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For eight quarters!
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Every month.
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Every month.
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Well, anyway, so we are here to talk about Kingdom Hearts 2.
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I'm confused.
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Why are you so confused?
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Because I know it's not the second game.
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We covered Chain of Memories on the Patreon, so it's technically the third game, and they're doing this Final Fantasy stuff, where they're like, it's the second, but it's also the third, and it's like the sixth, but it's also the third.
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It's too much, man.
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Well, it's from the same company, so you can understand why they would have that kind of situation going on.
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Yeah, it's a full go figure, but let me have this.
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Well, the production of Kingdom Hearts 2 began almost immediately after the release of Kingdom Hearts 1.
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That happens so often with these good franchises, where they're like the first one ships and the team turns around and give us back to their desk.
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Yeah, after the release of Kingdom Hearts 1, they did release a final mix version, which we'll talk about here in a little bit.
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It was after the completion of that, that they began the production of Kingdom Hearts 2.
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Okay, gotcha.
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And the goal was to take the things people loved about the first game and polish out those aspects.
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That's a perfect way to approach the sequel.
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I get you.
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Not only that, they wanted to improve upon the areas people had issues with, such as the camera, some controls and the divisive gummi ship sections.
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Oh, you love the gummi ship.
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I love the gummi ship, and so does the creator and director Tetsuya Nomura.
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He wanted the new game to feel the same but different, refusing to reuse any assets or animations from the first game.
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Kingdom Hearts 2 was set to take place a year after the first one, and during development, the team came up with story ideas for what happened during that year in between.
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I know all about it because I'm on the Patreon.
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Yes, that's how Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories was born.
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It was a Game Boy Advance exclusive title that, like Andrea said, we recently covered on our Patreon.
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It introduces characters and concepts that would go on to continue through the entire series.
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The reason they needed to fill in the gap was because the protagonist Sora was going to need to start from level one again, despite being a demigod by the end of the first adventure.
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I totally get that.
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It's such a pain in the ass to be like, how do we reset the skill tree when you've already gotten like way the fuck OP on the last round?
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Right, instead of just building on from that.
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Yeah, definitely.
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For the voice cast of the game, we had many return and several get replaced.
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Haley Joel Osment, Hayden Panatier, and David Gallagher return for Sora, Kairi, and Riku.
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Love that.
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They are joined by series newcomers, Jesse McCartney and Brittany Snow, both keeping with the tradition of hiring working child stars.
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Oh, beautiful soul Jesse McCartney.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Good for him.
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I thought he was a one hit wonder.
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I didn't realize he was like working.
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Well, it was like at the time he was up and coming.
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Okay, good for him.
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They play a couple of new characters that we're going to meet later.
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The Disney cast was once again largely played by their original voice actors, with the exception being the really big names like Danny DeVito, Matthew Broderick and Robin Williams.
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Fair enough.
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They were all replaced by the actors who took over the characters for the television spinoff series of their respective films.
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That makes a lot of sense.
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So those are people that have already played the characters and are canonical in this world and understand the nuances.
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Totally makes sense.
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Yeah, and honestly, they spend more time with the characters than the big name actor does.
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Doing the episodic series.
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Yeah, definitely.
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Yeah.
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Sadly, they also recast a few actors despite their characters returning.
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David Boreanis did not return to play Leon, as he had just gotten cast in the TV series Bones and didn't have the time.
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They ran for so fucking long.
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I totally get why he was like, I'm going to work on that project.
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Right.
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Mandy Moore was replaced by Mina Savari as Aerith.
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I forgot she was in this.
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I think we all did.
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Sean Astin apparently played Hercules in the first game.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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I didn't realize that until I was researching this one.
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Good for him.
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He was replaced by the OC's Tate Donovan, who was the actual voice of Hercules anyway.
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That almost feels more appropriate.
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Right.
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There was also one more performer I had completely forgotten to mention in the first game who sadly was replaced in this one.
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Okay.
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The voice of the legendary Final Fantasy VII villain, Sephiroth.
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Oh, fun.
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In the first game, he was inexplicably played by Lance Bass from Nsync.
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No, you're lying.
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I am not lying at all.
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That's fucking ridiculous.
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What I would give to see him dressed up as Sephiroth.
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Why?
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Why was he Sephiroth?
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I have no idea.
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I think he was trying to get like some kind of acting thing going or kickstarting a voice career.
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He's like Justin Timberlake was in the social network.
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Let me do one, too.
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And Sephiroth is equivalent?
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I don't know.
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No, that's so weird.
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I think evil.
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I think Lance Bass.
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No, he's American Stint.
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I love him.
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Oh, good for him.
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That's fun.
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Well, needless to say, they waved bye bye bye to his interpretation.
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Shut up.
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Replacing him with Sephiroth's now long time performer, George Newburn.
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After a relatively fast turnaround time, Kingdom Hearts 2 released exclusively to PlayStation 2 on December 22nd, 2005 in Japan.
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Then in March of 2006 in the US, with Europe and Australia seeing it in September that same year.
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It released to critical and fan acclaim, selling 4 million copies in the first year.
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As per Kingdom Hearts tradition, a final mix was released, adding some quality of life updates, as well as new cutscenes to accommodate story ideas they developed after the game's release.
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Minor retconning is what I'm hearing.
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Yeah, definitely.
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That's exactly what it was.
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Over the years, it has been remastered into Kingdom Hearts 2.5 HD remix, bringing it up to modern-day console standards and includes all the content from final mix as well.
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Since its release, it has solidified itself as the best action RPG of its kind, and maintains a top 10 spot on many all-time greatest games ever made lists.
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Would you say this is the best in the series?
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Hands down, far and away, no questions asked.
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Oh shit, okay, that's cool.
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Which makes it even more insane that we didn't see its official sequel for 14 years.
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Oof.
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I mean, yeah, though, first of all, licensing nightmare.
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Right.
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It's only gotten worse as we moved farther and farther away from the earlier days of this franchise.
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It's an absolute licensing shit show.
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Second of all, they announced Kingdom Hearts 4 two years ago and haven't said a goddamn thing since then.
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So I'm not surprised at a slow turnaround.
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Right.
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Seriously, I don't know why this series of all series takes so long.
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Yes, there have been a bunch of games in between.
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Oh, well, you're like, well, um, actually, they put out a bunch of dumb shit in different places.
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But it just made everything more complicated once Kingdom Hearts 3 actually came out.
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In my opinion.
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I don't want to like say that's a fact, but I say it's a fact.
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Fuck it, I have no stake in this.
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That is a goddamn fact.
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Well, outside of shameless self-promotion, I do suggest having the first game fresh in your mind going into this episode.
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So if you haven't played the first one in a while, you can go listen to our episode on the OG Kingdom Hearts.
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It's season six, episode two of our show.
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I feel so long ago.
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I know, right?
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Otherwise, it's time once again to get way too emotionally invested in a bunch of 14 year olds goombas.
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That's so creepy to say.
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Because this is Kingdom Hearts 2.
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The game's opening credits are a stunning pre-rendered cut scene recapping the events of the first game.
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Set to this one's theme song, Sanctuary by Hikaru Utada, the same artist who performed Simple and Clean, which was the theme for the first Kingdom Hearts.
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She has such a beautiful voice.
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Incredible voice.
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And I love this song.
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Honestly, it arguably rivals the impact of Simple and Clean to me.
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The cut scene finishes out the events of Kingdom Hearts 1, showing the character Kairi age a few years, and then transitions into scenes from Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories, as Kingdom Hearts 2 picks up after the conclusion of that game.
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Chain of Memories did sell well for a Game Boy Advance game, but selling well for a Game Boy Advance game was still under a million copies in the US.
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That's so funny, because Game Boy was such a juggernaut and moved so many units because it was so revolutionary, and then with the Advance generation, they were like, meh.
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The flashback sections from that game highlight a blonde girl in a stark white room, drawing pictures of Sora and his friends running through Castle Oblivion, the setting of Chain of Memories.
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Fortunately, Chain of Memories is not essential playing, but it really helps to clarify everything.
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The cutscene also features a bunch of characters in long black cloaks battling against Sora, Donald, and Goofy.
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It culminates in Sora entering the white room, interrupting the blonde girl's coloring.
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On her doodle pad, we see an image of Sora floating inside a glass lotus blossom.
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Sora is standing in front of her, and then the glass blossom sprouts around him, encasing him inside.
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Sora goes to sleep, falling backwards into white nothingness.
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He flies over an ocean and lands on Destiny Island.
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Sora and Kairi are shown lying on the beach, holding hands.
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Eyes closed as the sun is setting.
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The camera lowers further, revealing Sora is also holding Riku's hand, who is laying on his other side.
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The music swells, and a person crashes down onto the sleeping trio, falling deep into water, just as Sora did at the outset of the first game.
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But it's not Sora.
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It's a different boy.
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He has blonde hair, and he's wearing an all-white outfit with a red collar over a black shirt.
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He keeps sinking further, eventually riding himself.
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He lands on a stained glass surface, just as Sora had done at the start of his adventure.
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When Sora landed on his platform, it depicted Snow White and the seven dwarves, along with a few other Disney characters.
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This time, it's another side, another story, as the blonde-haired kid lands on a platform depicting Sora, Donald, Goofy, Kairi, and Riku.
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He looks up into the sky, and the scene transitions into a new location.
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It's a dark, dreary beach environment.
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But it's not an ocean.
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It's a lake.
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Motherfucker!
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Why are you like this?
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You fucking hate when I say this to you.
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I'll say this to you just for funsies in the car, and you're like, I'm gonna kick you out right now, and you're gonna walk home.
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I couldn't resist.
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I'm sorry.
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You really could have, but you didn't.
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Big black rocky structures rise out of the lake like so many abstract sculptures.
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A man in a long black leather hooded cloak with metal tassels and a long full front zipper sits on a rock, looking out at the gloomy shore.
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A dark portal appears nearby, and another cloaked person approaches the one sitting.
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The sitting man speaks vaguely, playing the pronoun game, saying, he's been to see him.
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He looks just like you.
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Silently, but with subtitles, the new arrival asks the sitting man who he is.
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The sitting man says that his name is irrelevant.
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Then he turns the question around and asks if the new arrival remembers their true name.
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They think on it, then say, my true name is, but the scene ends before they say.
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Instead, we transition to the sound of Kairi saying, Sora, she's waking Sora up from his nap on the beach.
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It's like we're watching the scene through a shitty CRT TV that is glitching, though.
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Oh, no.
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Like a VHS tape that's been damaged as the screen freaks out from time to time.
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Because this is also just a cut scene straight out of the first game.
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As if the VHS tape had been recorded over, but the old shit is still there.
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I appreciate that you're like, the team did not want to reuse assets.
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Except for this instance, where we put a filter over it.
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Okay, in this instance, yes, they do.
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But we made it a little, we copied homework and we changed it a little bit.
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But in the gameplay itself.
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Got you.
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It shows the majority of the time that Sora spent on Destiny Island in short quick bursts.
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Suddenly the scene ends and you wake as the blonde haired kid, lying in bed in his childhood home.
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You sit up wearing a casual version of the white and black outfit from before.
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You rub your head saying that it was another dream about him.
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You have no idea who he is or why you keep dreaming about him.
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Your thought is interrupted by the sound of bells ringing in the hour from outside.
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You open your window to reveal a bustling little burgh, complete with a whimsical as fuck clock tower, and a train station with a locomotive pulling in as the name Twilight Town appears on screen.
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We are taken to a new location.
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You're in your full outfit now, sitting in a little side-alley kids clubhouse kind of place, complete with a dartboard, a dirty old couch, and wooden crates to sit on.
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With you are three others.
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Original characters to Kingdom Hearts.
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There's a taller blonde boy in camo pants and a vest over a black tank top named Hayner.
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A husky brunette boy wearing a headband and a red tank top that says Dog Street named Pence.
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He's the edgy one.
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And a young girl with brown hair wearing an orange tank top and khaki pants named Olette.
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They're all talking with each other animatedly while you appear to be having a crisis looking at your hands in confusion.
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I love that trope of a friend group where they're like, we have plans, we're children, and one's like, I am having a fucking meltdown.
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The other three are talking about a guy named Cypher, which is a character from Final Fantasy 8.
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Hayner gets your attention by calling your name Roxas.
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Shit is going missing in town and Cypher has beef with your crew.
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So he's going around telling everyone, you guys are the ones stealing stuff, which doesn't sit right with any of you because you're not the one stealing.
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That sucks.
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Hayner says this is the greatest injustice in history.
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And Cypher is going to pay.
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Good.
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You suggest finding the real thieves.
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That's really the only way to clear your names.
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Hayner says that's a great idea and suggests spreading out around town to see if you can figure out who it is.
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Just before leaving, Pentz says, Oh no, our are gone.
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Hayner replies, all of our are gone?
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