Dead Space 2
Season 9 Episode 4 Trigger Warnings This episode contains graphic descriptions of extreme body mutilation and gore. Tom & Andrea are back w…
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Sept. 4, 2024
Dead Space 2
Season 9 Episode 4 Trigger Warnings This episode contains graphic descriptions of extreme body mutilation and gore. Tom & Andrea are back with Isaac Clark and more Necromorphs in Dead Space 2! After the events of the first game, Isaac wakes up on...
Season 9 Episode 4
Trigger Warnings
This episode contains graphic descriptions of extreme body mutilation and gore.
Tom & Andrea are back with Isaac Clark and more Necromorphs in Dead Space 2! After the events of the first game, Isaac wakes up on the moon Titan, where he is recovering from his injuries. Shortly after waking up, he figures out it's going to be more of the same as his dead girlfriend Nicole is still haunting him, Necromorphs are running rampant, and that necromoroph-worshipping cult from before is still around. It's bigger, bloodier, and scarier this time around, so be sure to listen to this one in a well-lit room.
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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to The Other Castle.
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The Other Castle, I'm Andrea.
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My name is Tom.
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And here on The Other Castle, we do the plot, lore, and more behind all your favorite video games.
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So we do the production, the creation, the release, and the actual game itself, even if it's spooky.
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The spookier, the better.
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If this is your first time listening to us, you can check us out at our website, theothercastlepodcast.com.
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That's theothercastlepodcast.com.
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Over there, you can find links to our Instagram, to our Discord, our item shop, as well as our Patreon.
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Our Patreon's $2 a month.
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We have a seven day free trial, and we have monthly episodes both on and off season.
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We just did a fun movie night with our patrons really recently, and we have something fun coming up very soon for this month.
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We do, we do indeed.
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And we are so excited to bring it to you all.
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So yes, definitely check us out over there.
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But this week, we're doing the sequel to a game we haven't touched since season four of our show.
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That feels like a fucking lifetime ago.
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Right.
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But with enough bullying.
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This was very light bullying.
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I we are doing Dead Space 2 today.
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I really enjoyed doing the first one.
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That was on the 2008 title Dead Space.
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And now we are doing Dead Space 2 Electric Boogaloo in Space.
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Awesome.
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I'm so excited.
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Now, I selfishly do enjoy the first episode that we did in this series, mostly because Tom has a delightful meltdown about the twist in that one.
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Yeah, I really do.
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So if you're down for a binge on some spooky space shit, you can start there.
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It is still fun.
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I was new it not that long ago and I was like, OK, I don't hate this.
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The problem is, is that twist will never work on me again.
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It might.
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OK.
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After the 2008 Dead Space game was released by EA Redwood to absolute critical success, the team immediately start working on a sequel.
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It happens.
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The first game sold around a million copies, racked up awards from the BAFTAs, and was praised personally by PlayStation as one of the cleanest games to ever be delivered for publishing to that point in history.
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That is such an incredible thing that they did to write a letter unprompted just to say, you guys killed it.
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Yeah, fully.
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They did not ask for this.
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They just got it and were like, god damn, okay.
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Now, a lot of that acclaim was accredited to the series creator, Glenn Scofield.
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With the first Dead Space, he set out to create what he called the most horrifying terror game to date.
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And in 2008, absolutely succeeded.
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Here's where shit kind of switches up.
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Following the release of Dead Space 1, Glenn Scofield actually broke off from EA Redwood and went on to be the CEO and co-founder of his own studio, Sledgehammer Studios.
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Sledgehammer was responsible for 2011's Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 and a bunch of other Call of Duty games, all the way up to 2023's Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3.
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So wait.
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The first Modern Warfare is the number three, and then the next Modern Warfare was the Roman numeral three.
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Oh, my gosh.
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So he did both Modern Warfare threes.
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Yes, and everything that kind of came in between for Sledgehammer.
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Okay.
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Now the studio is most notably responsible for 2014's Call of Duty Advanced Warfare's Press F to Pay Respects meme.
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He invented that?
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That's him, baby.
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Oh, an inventor of a meme.
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I don't think he set out to do that.
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I think that was just a game mechanic, but goddamn it, I love it.
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You shouldn't set out to create a meme like naturally like that.
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Yeah, it's embarrassing if you try.
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He's since gone on to create kind of a symbolic sister sequel in the Callisto Protocol, and most recently has focused on his personal artwork with a featured showcase of his art in San Francisco.
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Which we have covered the Callisto Protocol in the show.
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It's fun.
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I liked it.
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I don't give a shit if you didn't.
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Back at Dead Space 2 base camp, EA Roadwood had rebranded as Visceral Games in 2009, and made history as EA's first genre-based studio within their brand portfolio.
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because of Dead Space being the horror juggernaut that it was, EA gave Visceral a lot of autonomy with crafting their own stories.
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Preferably, they let Visceral do their own thing and didn't hover too much during the creative process.
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It's been noted by level designer Zach Wilson that EA also granted Visceral a $60 million budget for the second game.
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Wow.
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Ungodly amount of money.
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And without the original creator on board.
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Yeah.
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Like, Bioshock 2 didn't get that.
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No.
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They didn't even get their own world.
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So Visceral is left without the original creative mind, like you said, behind the franchise, and with much less supervision.
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And so much fucking budget when compared to the previous entry.
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So like, what could go wrong?
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Oh, I hope a lot.
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It's actually fine.
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While the Visceral team knew that they had successfully built a really strong original IP with the first game, internally, they turned up the heat on themselves.
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Schofield had left and taken a handful of key team members along with him to Sledgehammer Studios.
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Visceral Studios celebrated their success but also made it clear that they expected more with the next one.
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And on top of that, they also had another game in development, a hack and slash title called Dante's Inferno.
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Oh, damn.
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Okay.
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Dante's Inferno was released in 2010 to overall, okay, to mid reviews, which is fine, but it's disappointing for a studio trying to prove itself as a powerhouse in gaming.
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Once Dante's Inferno wrapped, the entire studio focused solely on Dead Space 2.
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They had as many as 150 team members crunching away at making Dead Space 2 all at once.
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Truly, all hands were on deck.
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With the focus on the Dead Space sequel, the team had big ambitions to get more people excited about the Dead Space franchise and establish protagonist Isaac Clark as a video game icon.
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One game they looked to for some direction and inspiration is the 2009 Naughty Dog title, Uncharted 2 Among Thieves.
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That game was able to leverage the uncharted original IP, reach a larger audience and get more people to fall in love with the endlessly charming Nathan Drake.
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plus, it was a critical and commercial success.
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Gosh, Naughty Dog just continually influencing the gaming market so much.
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Setting the bar so fucking high.
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As soon as you said they wanted him to be like this iconic character, I was immediately thinking, oh, like a Nathan Drake.
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And then you say, like a Nathan Drake.
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Right.
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No, Naughty Dog did win a shit gang of Game of the Year awards and scored a bunch of perfect critical scores.
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And this title, Uncharted 2, sold around seven million copies.
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So it's reasonable that they were like, that is the natural playbook for the second Dead Space.
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And this role was like, whatever they're doing, we're going to go to Subway, we'll fucking figure it out.
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Let's copy their homework real quick.
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Yeah, we'll just change it a little bit.
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Right.
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Not that Isaac Clark is like flying out through pirate ships and shit, but maybe he is.
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I don't know.
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We haven't gotten there yet.
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Space pirates.
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Yeah.
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One of the more acclaimed elements from the Uncharted franchise, and frankly, most Naughty Dog games, are the beautiful movie quality cutscenes.
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The first Dead Space was fully immersive with no cinematic cutscenes.
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During plot relevant scenes, the player could still move around to a certain extent, and could always be playing or being active in the game world.
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Dead Space 2 began incorporating full mocap cutscenes.
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These scenes blend into gameplay.
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However, they were a notable pivot from the hard immersion scenes in the first game.
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But they were using full mocap at the time.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Impressive.
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Another huge note the team took from Uncharted is that the audience loves the unflappable protagonist, Nathan Drake, played by BAFTA award-winning video game performance King, the incomparable Nolan North.
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Yes, we love Nolan North on this show.
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Yeah.
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Well, Dead Space 1 had Isaac Clark as a silent protagonist.
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Dead Space 2 cast actor Gunnar Wright as the voice and mocap performer for Isaac Clark.
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Giving a voice to their protagonist and letting the audience get to know him better was a huge goal for this title.
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Gunnar Wright has cited part of his performance as Isaac, was inspired by John McClane from Die Hard.
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Hell yeah.
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Not John McClane from Death Stranding.
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Very different deliveries.
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Yes.
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Production on Dead Space 2 took about two and a half years, which in this day and age feels incredibly fast, but was admittedly still a sprint at the time.
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At the end of 2009, a press release came out announcing the game with this message on the sequel.
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Hero Isaac Clark returns for another heart-pounding adventure, taking the fight to the Necromorphs in this thrilling action-horror experience.
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New tools to gruesomely slice and dismember the Necromorphs complement Isaac's signature plasma cutter, empowering him as he meets new characters, explores epic 0G environments, and fights against a relentless Necromorph onslaught.
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Survival isn't the only thing on Isaac's mind in Dead Space 2.
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This time, he calls the shots.
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So the Necromorphs are back.
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So is Isaac.
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But it also means that you failed to stop the Necromorphs spreading.
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Yeah, dipshit.
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You did okay in the first game.
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Right.
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So this is when the marketing cycle started.
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In 2010, Dead Space 2 was showcased at E3, San Diego Comic Con, and Gamescom.
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Now let's take a beat and talk about marketing.
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In our Halo 3 episode, I absolutely fucking screamed about how the game had a $40 million marketing budget.
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Right, but they made like a short film from it.
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Yeah, and honestly, it like still feels insane.
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Like even with a short film, I'm like, so much money.
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A general rule in media is that you take the production budget to make the art and you double it for marketing.
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It has been generally confirmed that Dead Space 2's $60 million production budget was doubled for marketing, spending somewhere in the ballpark of $60 million on marketing the second Dead Space.
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Holy shit.
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How the fuck did Dead Space 2 spend $60 million?
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And I know that it did not get the same return that Halo 3 got.
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Yeah.
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So some of that money was spent on focus groups.
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That's natural.
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Every piece of public media does focus groups to see what sticks and what to focus on.
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Very common.
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I was once in a focus group for a video game that you've all heard of.
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I can 1000% guarantee.
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But I signed so many NDAs I can't even hint at which one it is.
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But Tom knows.
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But dead ass, Dead Space 2 did the most punk rock as fuck marketing campaign I think I've ever seen, period.
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The team did a focus group that consisted of over 200 mothers who were individually filmed while watching footage of Dead Space 2.
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The moms were recruited in middle America in the heart of conservative areas under the guise of a general media focus group.
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The team proceeded to take these regular ass, pearl gripping mothers and forced them to watch gruesome dismemberments, horrific violence, and blood curdling body horror and filmed their reactions.
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Oh my god.
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I think we'd call them Karens today.
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Yeah.
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So they made a bunch of Karens watch a bunch of bloody gore.
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The campaign was called Your Mom Hates Dead Space 2.
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Oh, that's fantastic.
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And it all linked back to a website called yourmomhatesthis.com.
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As brilliant as that is, like genuinely, that is freaking hilarious.
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It's also kind of saying we're marketing this towards children.
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So what?
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So the website's no longer active, just for what it's worth.
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I did try to like hunt it down and be like, what the fuck is this?
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But I didn't get to the web archives or whatever.
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The women were overall disgusted.
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With one saying this is why society is filled with criminals.
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This game that hasn't come out yet.
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Yeah.
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One woman accused the creators of the game of being on crystal meth.
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There's one video where they lie to a participant and just tell her the game footage is based on a true story about astronauts.
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And she's basically, well, damn, I disapprove of that.
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That's bad.
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Yeah, I watched that commercial entirely.
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And it's funny because she's like, man, if that's true, that's some top secret shit.
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Yeah.
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She's like, I shouldn't know this.
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Right.
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It's truly a marketing wet dream that this campaign happened, period.
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And regardless of how you feel about the game or the franchise, this is cool as fuck and needs to be studied.
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The ad campaign itself was attacked by a family advocacy group saying that the core concept of the ads was unfairly targeting children despite the game's M for Mature rating.
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There it was.
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The group even wrote to the Entertainment Software Ratings Board, the ESRB, in anger over just the ad campaign.
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And the ESRB group was basically like, okay, and calm down.
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Right.
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That has nothing to do with us.
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The Karens were mad at being displayed as Karens.
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Yeah, girl, right?
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When your fucking ads are just so hardcore that family advocacy groups are mad about the commercials before the game reviews are dropped, you know you fucking did that shit.
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Oh, that is one of those, there is no bad publicity kind of situations.
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Fully.
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And this was such good publicity.
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Good, bad publicity.
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Yeah.
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Now, there were other ads that ran.
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There was a tie-in armor set for Dragon Age 2 and a multiplayer element that really hyped fans up for the game's release.
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Well, when I think Dead Space, I think Dragon Age.
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obviously.
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Those two are tied.
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Admittedly, EA was the one that pushed for multiplayer, not necessarily Visceral, but it all worked out in the end.
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Dead Space 2 came out in January of 2011 across PS3, Xbox 360 and PC to the chagrin of conservative American mothers.
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But to the delight of gamers worldwide.
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The game got really strong reviews with most scores hovering around the 9 out of 10 scoring slot.
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Wow.
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After losing the creator to get those kind of scores.
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Fully.
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The first week, it sold around 2 million copies, which is huge.
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Again, doubling what the previous title did.
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Those sales were so strong, it did prompt Visceral into almost immediately starting production on Dead Space 3.
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Well, hell yeah.
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After that first week, they got all the money they'd spent on it back.
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Unfortunately, EA didn't love the return on investment from Dead Space 2.
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They were like, well, you did it, but we sunk millions of dollars into this project overall, and personally and intentionally pissed off mothers across America.
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You know, the people buying video games for their kids.
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So what the fuck?
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The game overall sold around 4 million copies, which is fucking huge for the sequel.
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It was a lot more than the first Dead Space, which again, around a million.
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But unfortunately, Vistral Studios did close in 2017.
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Oh damn, that does suck.
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Dead Space as a franchise was mildly revitalized in 2023 with a remake of the first game.
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