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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to The Other Castle.
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The Other Castle, I'm Andrea.
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And my name is Tom.
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And here on The Other Castle, we do the plot, lore and more behind all your favorite video games.
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That means we cover the production, the creation, the release and the actual story of the game itself.
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Yes, we do.
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And if you want to hear more, you can check us out over at our website, theothercastlepodcast.com.
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That's the othercastlepodcast.com.
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So like you can check out our old episodes.
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Like last week we did Death Stranding.
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You can check out our Patreon, where we recently covered Limbo.
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We've covered World of Warcraft, which was one of my favorite Patreon episodes that Tom's done.
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And there's also links on our website to our Instagram, where we post reels, fun facts, some behind the scenes stuff, occasionally selfies, whatever.
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Don't come for me.
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And has links to our Discord.
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Yes, our Discord is very fun.
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Apparently we are very active creators on our Discord.
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Apparently a lot of places the creators don't get very active.
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Really?
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Yeah, I guess we are considered active.
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Is that embarrassing for us?
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No, it's just like, you know, we interact with you guys a lot, so come join us.
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Why was my gut reaction, should we not be reacting to anyone?
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I just, you know, the people in our Discord post really spicy beams and stuff, and I really enjoy it, and a lot of them are really fun to talk to.
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Yeah, it's a nice place to have everybody kind of in one place.
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I learned some things.
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They were talking about migraines, and one of the people in our Discord was saying, oh, try ginger ale, and I was like, I've only had ginger ale for stomach aches, and I have some ginger ale in my fridge, and I'm gonna try that next time I have a migraine.
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Very smart.
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Migraines suck.
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But this game doesn't suck.
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This week, we're going over A Plague Tale Innocence, which I believe did also come up in our Discord.
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I believe this was one of the requests.
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Yeah, so in our Discord, we also have a section where people can suggest games.
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Most, if not all of the games we're covering this season are from our Discord or from our email requests, because we love you guys, and frankly, I'm getting overwhelmed.
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So I need help figuring out what games to play, and this one was a fantastic one, and I'm super excited.
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Now, are you aware of this game existing?
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I absolutely am aware of it, never played it.
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Okay, wasn't aware of it, have played it.
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Oh, okay.
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Kind of the inverse.
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I might have seen something peripherally, but someone mentioned this, and I started looking into it.
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I do look through all of our game suggestions that come through on Discord, and I think you check the email more than I do, just because I'm so team empty inbox that that email gives me anxiety to open it, because there's so many unopened ones, and I'm like, mm-mm, nope, nope, nope.
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I'm going to do this for my mental health, can't do it.
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We get a lot of spam.
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Yeah.
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Or just like confirmations of like, this posted, and I'm like, yeah, I know.
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It posted yesterday.
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You're telling me now.
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But I do check all the games that come through our game suggestions part in Discord.
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And I look up at least the trailer.
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Sometimes I do look up like a gaming Henry video or a lore video just to kind of get a sense of it.
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Some of the shit you guys suggest is super fucking dark.
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Yeah.
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I promise you, I do look into every single one.
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Some of them fucked me up where I was like, why?
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No.
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But this one I looked into and I was like, oh, this is kind of cool.
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But good kind of dark.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Where it's just like, oh, I need to turn the brightness up.
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That's fine.
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I can't turn the brightness up in my heart without my fucking fluvoxamine.
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So it's different.
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But we're going to talk about Plague Tale, which is a creepy crawly rat game.
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If you don't like rats, this isn't for you at all.
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Guess who doesn't like rats?
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At either of us.
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Yeah.
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I found out I didn't like rats.
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I've seen rats.
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I've been to New York City, so obviously I'm familiar with them.
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Right.
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I saw two fight in a subway, both touch the third rail and survive somehow.
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Which is, that means I'm a real New Yorker, I guess?
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In a visit.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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One stole a pizza out of my hand.
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Oh, that's Pizza Rat.
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He's famous.
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So is the Naked Cowboy, you know, there's celebrities around every corner of Manhattan.
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But yeah, I didn't think a lot about rats.
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You know, my best friend had a rat when we were kids and I was just like, oh, whatever, man.
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But I don't like rats now.
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So this fucked me up.
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I apologize if it fucks you up, but also you have the freedom of choice to walk away from this episode if it grosses you out.
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I'm not discouraging you to not listen.
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Actually, I'm gonna take all this back.
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Hang out with us.
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Please enjoy this episode.
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And like it and subscribe.
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All that stuff.
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A Plague Tale Innocence launched on May 14th, 2019 and was developed by Asobo Studio.
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Asobo has kind of an interesting origin.
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They're a French game studio who mainly worked on licensed properties, you know, classics like Garfield, A Tale of Two Kitties.
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Oh my God, really?
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Yeah.
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You got to start somewhere.
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Facts, and Zoo Tycoon, the ultimate animal edition.
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OK, though, that's a legit series.
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And probably actually led to all the rat stuff.
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They learned a lot about animals.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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They also had one original IP game that they did.
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It was a racing game called Fuel that came out in 2009, but that kind of came out to lackluster reviews.
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I was going to say, I think I remember seeing it and never played it.
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I don't believe you see all these games come through.
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After putting out their own IP in 2009 with Fuel, it wasn't a needle mover, so they went back to licensed games like Monopoly Plus and Disneyland Adventures.
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Monopoly Plus is legit.
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You do like Monopoly, unironically.
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No, I have a copy of Monopoly Plus.
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That's a great game.
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When we were young, we used to play Boozopoly.
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Yes.
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Which one time ended in me trying to punch someone.
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It's fine.
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But the team at Asobo was like, I get it, it's paying the bills, but I'm not being fulfilled creatively, which I fully understand.
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They are eager storytellers forced to regurgitate the stories of others through their lens, and it frankly just wasn't enough.
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At the time, the mid-teen years of the 2000s, the landscape of gaming was shaken up and innovated by our West Coast friends here at Naughty Dog, with 2013's The Last of Us.
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I've heard of that.
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We may have covered it a couple of times.
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The Last of Us Part 1, obviously, has been cited as the inspiration and the impetus for so many games, we might as well start some sort of bio-shot for it like we do with our other shit.
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At this point, it may almost feel cliché because it's established so many cornerstones of storytelling that are used in other games.
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But remember, 10 years ago, this was absolutely groundbreaking storytelling.
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The emotional weight of the story paired with engaging gameplay and immersive world-building built a runway for other games to exist in this gaming space.
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Asobo's creative director, David Dedene, has said of The Last of Us, It's such a great game, but it's weird to claim that we've done the same thing.
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And that's not the case.
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We wanted to do something different.
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What I'd like to say about The Last of Us is that I like the way it opened doors even for the publishing world, because it's this type of experience that I'm not so sure we would have found a publisher-like focus to create this type of experience.
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End quote.
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That makes a lot of sense.
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The door was open for these kind of darker games about two people traveling.
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If you want to boil it down, yeah.
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And it was that horrible quote when HBO series is coming out where they're like, before The Last of Us, it was only platformers and a few pews and you're like, that's not it.
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Shut the fuck up.
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But the gaming world has evolved incredibly on itself, more compound than any other medium known to man.
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Like eat farts.
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But I understand that The Last of Us is a groundbreaking, innovative piece of media that brought so much storytelling to the forefront of gaming and popularized it and showed how profitable this could be if you cared about scripting.
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Right.
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In addition to giving The Last of Us their flowers, Asobo has also cited Brothers, A Tale of Two Sons and the Studio Ghibli movie, Graveyard of the Fireflies as deep inspirations for A Plague Tale Innocence.
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If you're familiar with Grave of the Fireflies, we actually talked about this on our Discord, the movie.
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You know that it's about to be so fucked up and heartbreaking.
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Right.
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Just if you haven't seen the movie, very high level, Grave of the Fireflies is a 1988 Ghibli movie about two siblings who are surviving after an American bombing during World War II.
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Oh, wow.
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Already that is starting off with the darkest possible plot line.
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I would start with My Neighbor Totoro.
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If you want to kind of explore this world, maybe Ponyo.
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That's about a fish who eats ham sandwiches.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah, that sounds...
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The team behind A Plague Tale Innocence was only 40 people deep, and they got started on writing this devastating, rat-infested, beautiful story of love and innocence.
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The core story and the heart of this game is the sibling relationship with protagonist Amicia and her five-year-old brother Hugo.
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Sorry, Amicia?
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Isn't that such a beautiful name?
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It's such a unique name.
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I do not hear Amicia.
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That is gorgeous.
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Oh my God, I'm going to name a cat Amicia or something.
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Like that is so pretty.
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Yeah.
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Amicia is played by an actual teenager, Charlotte McBurney.
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She came from the Young Actors Theater and she really didn't know about video games prior to entering the industry.
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After she got representation, literally just like booking an agent as an actor, Plague Tale was the first audition they sent her on.
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Prior to getting acting representation, she was a nanny, which she said has kind of helped her form this big sister relationship with Hugo.
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So she goes out, she's like, I want to be an actress, gets an agent, goes on one thing, and books a protagonist role in a video game.
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That's incredible.
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Honestly, well-deserved, incredible performer.
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That's awesome for her.
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Her little brother, Hugo, is played by Logan Hanan, who is still too young to legally buy either games that he has starred in, both this and the sequel.
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That is so cute though.
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They used an actual child though.
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Yeah.
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Holy shit.
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He was only seven years old when he started working on Hugo.
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Wow.
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Charlotte McBurney is British, but because the game is set in France, she based her voice and accent on her former French teacher, which feels so sweet to be like, I'm going to take this and I'm going to give it into my performance.
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I love you.
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There's something very sweet about it.
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Yeah.
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She did say she loves the emotional weight of the character and performing as Amicia.
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She went on to win the Navigator Award for best performance in this game, Innocence, and would be nominated for a BAFTA for her performance in the franchise's sequel.
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Hell yeah.
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She did end up losing that award though to Christopher Judge for his Kratos performance in God of War Ragnarok.
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Makes sense.
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If you are curious and you want to get to know her more, you can see her do a full playthrough of both A Plague Tale Innocence and the sequel A Plague Tale Requiem on Anna Dumertou's channel.
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Anna is a performer who actually is in the sequel and is very good friends with Charlotte in real life.
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Oh, that's sweet.
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The game was generally praised and not just for Charlotte McBurney's incredible performance.
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A Plague Tale Innocence was released in May 2019 across PS4, PC and Xbox.
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And in a little over a year, it sold 1 million copies.
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Overall, it got around like an 8 out of 10 across the board and was nominated for a ton of awards, including the ones I just mentioned.
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2019 was a banger year, obviously, with our friends Death Stranding from last week and the other Castle alums like Control and Disco Elysium.
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They all hit the same awards cycle.
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So A Plague Tale Innocence, frankly, did get a little buried because it's such a good year of gaming.
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But it was still celebrated enough to get a sequel that came out in 2022.
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And people just really largely fuck with this franchise.
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There are rumors of a third installment or some sort of expansion on the world, seeing what else is going on with the fucking rats.
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Okay.
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And I'll just say, sometimes I do hit a wall and do research on what kinds of games I should play for the show.
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I'll watch those YouTube roundups from like what culture or game ranks, saying, hey, here's games with great stories.
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Here's games that people have overlooked.
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Here's games that you should be playing and you're not kind of shit.
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Top 10 most slept on games.
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Yeah, I don't do WatchMojo.
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No.
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But I do a lot of the other ones.
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And this game does come up a lot.
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And so does it's sequel.
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And I'm really excited to play Requiem after the season's over because I have so many games to play over the next few weeks.
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I really did enjoy this.
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I played it on a PS5 recently.
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And about midway through, I did turn to Tom and I said, this feels like a medieval Naughty Dog game with no guns.
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And if you'll remember, I think I said, and I say that respectfully.
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And he went, I'm actively trying to not watch this because you're going to explain everything about it to me on mic at some point.
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I went, yeah, I will.
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We're in it now.
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Okay.
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And I also, I love The Last of Us so much and getting kind of a stealth-based, story-driven adventure with desperate stakes rooted in unbreakable bonds and disgusting enemies.
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Like it all really came together for someone who's a fan of that game.
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This game earnestly unlocked a new fear in me with rats and I'm unwell, so.
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Oh yay, now we have scorpions and rats for you to be scared of.
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I fucking hate both now.
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It's crazy to have learned new fears in your thirties, but fucking here we are.
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This sucks.
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I'm so sorry that you had to unlock new fears out of this game.
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Yeah.
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And like again, seen rats, whatever it eats, it's gross.
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Yeah.
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But seeing the way rats are portrayed in this game was so well done.
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I have a new phobia.
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So let's go down the rabbit hole because it kind of sucks.
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But the rat hole, the rat hole.
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Oh, that's my least favorite bar.
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This is A Plague Tale Innocence.
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It's 1348 in France.
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In our world, the real world, we're like, I live.
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This is around when the Black Death began.